DACs with word clock output??

Hmmmm. The Big Ben and the Isocrone appear to be external clock devices, similar to the dcs and Esoteric external clocks. They will do the job, but I'm hoping for a solution that doesn't require an outboard clock. Perhaps one day EMM will begin to use 24 bit dacs.

I'll post my query also on the Slim Devices forum. If a solution arises over there I'll be sure to post it here.

Thanks again.

Well, I'lll be a monkey's uncle. Reading the Esoteric and dcs web sites a bit more carefully tells me that the Esoteric and dcs dacs can be used exactly as I want...word sync out to the transport(er). And the Esoteric models (at least some of them) put out 44.1 and 48 kHz clocks, and multiples thereof, and they accept 24 bit word length. Soooo, well, uh, never mind about my question, I guess. Sorry.

Doug,

I think there are two schools of logic.

1) A master clock which is precisely passed around with extremely expensive and precision circuitry to accommodate that. Studios may need this if they are to keep multiple devices and bitsreams all in sync. This is the gold plated approach - everything has to be near perfect and especially the circuits transmitting and receiving the clock signal.

2) On the simple audio reproduction side it seems that the cheap way is becoming the most popular. The cheaper approach is to reclock on the DAC. Various options exist to break the link between a lower quality S/PDIF jittery input and the output clocking on the DAC. This is probably improving all the time. The idea is that a jittery interface signal is no longer the big problem it once was with older PLL loop technology PROVIDED the designer can build the best clock and DAC circuitry to "isolate" any incoming jitter from the input (either the data is buffered or an asynchronous sample rate converter is used to physically break the clock linkage/dependency. Since it is much easier to generate an accurate clock locally on a chip close to where it is needed than to transfer that precision all around to different devices - this solution seems lowest cost.

I supect you are having difficulty finding anything but pro-audio gear to do what you ask. This is beacause you are taking the gold plated approach where everything has to be of the highest precision.

FWIW: On paper I think both approaches theoretically can work - obviously some designs will be better than others and I can't tell you which one is overall "king" (certainly not on my modest digital budget) but the reason I suspect Option 2 is winning and you cannot find a DAC with a wordclock slave input is simply because this approach is difficult to achieve and very costly and the philosophy of the "reclocking engineers" believe that "reclocking" negates the need for such costly high precision on the interfaces.

Shadorne - actually I believe most pro-audio gear uses global master clocks to synchronize the digital streams in lock-step for post-record processing, not real-time playback. It is not jitter that they are dealing with, it is synchronization of the data packets between separate gear. This can be done with a single clock that fans-out to all of the gear. Not optimum at all for playback where the clock needs to originate close to the D/A.

They usually do have a good master clock inside the A/D. This is critical.

Steve N.

Steve thanks

the clock needs to originate close to the D/A.

Then this seems to be the prevailing consensus/wisdom for playback these days.