The difference between Qoboz stream vs purchased songs

fredrik222

No, what was proven is that you don't understand how Ethernet and streaming services work. We went over that.

Ad hominem, logical fallacy.

The link I provided showed details of a simple demonstration that disproved your claim that a song is "downloaded" to a cache in entirety before playback starts. I knew you were mistaken before I conducted the experiment, but I did it anyway, in part to encourage others to do the same. Perhaps there might be something to learn about the sizing of a streamer's cache, or even how that cache is stored, but that's a difficult discussion to have with anyone who truly believes a streamed song is downloaded in full to cache before playback starts. Indeed, you conflate streaming, caching, and downloads as though they are all the same thing. It's rather like claiming an SUV is a car. In a way, an SUV is rather like a car, but it's different. Hence, we make distinction between it and a car for the purpose of clarity.

To be fair  to you, if all you ever download is the latest 3-minute Katy Perry (or whomever) pop hit, it is possible that the entire track will be in cache before it starts to play. After all, those are often very brief tunes and my cache held about 3 minutes of music.

OP,

A digital download is usually the same format as as when it’s streamed, so there’s little to no difference in the sound when played on either.

@fredrik222 

Like Juan from Bliss Hifi, I’ve heard differences in the quality of the presentation that has me shrugging my shoulders.  The first ‘what the…” moment was when I totally upgraded the power feeding my system.  The second was when I upgraded the 3’ Ethernet cable from the wall to my streamer.  Both of these transformed my system with the Ethernet upgrade having the lesser improvement, but I really don’t understand this difference given what you said, and I have no reason to doubt you, that error correction is the same.  It makes sense that it is the same in that Ethernet protocol is set, but it leaves me at a loss as to how changing the Ethernet cable can make a difference.  Either I have a preference for a low bank account balance, or there is something else going on.

@cleeds It's not an attack on your person, it's 100% a statement of facts. You don't know anything about Ethernet or TCP/IP. The link you provide here goes to speedtest.net, so that proves that you still don't understand it. 

If you are talking about disconnecting the cable, like I said previously, you would fail the DRM check, so no cache playback without internet access. However, Bryston is known for its bad streaming capabilities, including it's small cache and how that is causing issues. So, what you have is a uniquely poor implementation.

Further more:

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The Nitty Gritty
Playback quality is governed by the maximum you choose (see Figure 4). On mobile, you have the ability to set separate quality caps for streaming on Wi-Fi and mobile networks. In the desktop app settings, you have the option to take exclusive control of the selected audio device. Using exclusive control, I watched my DAC display its automatic switch to different sample rates as I played different tracks, barring Windows Core Audio from resampling my Qobuz stream. The mobile app does not cache audio more than a handful of seconds in advance, but the desktop app caches the entire track at once. 

The caching is a nice feature because it visibly builds your offline library if you check an option in the app’s settings, adding all cached tracks to the offline library. You’d be right to be concerned about Qobuz monopolizing your storage space as it automatically caches all music played. Under music playback settings, you can set the maximum cache size from 500 MB to 100 GB. As a bonus to those with multiple hard drives, Qobuz allows you to set a new location for cached music to reside. The music download location can also be changed in the settings, and you can monitor how much space it is using. 
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https://audioxpress.com/article/exploring-qobuz-high-resolution-streaming

@cleeds I really don't know how much more you need to show you are wrong, but wrong you are.

fredrik222

It’s not an attack on your person, it’s 100% a statement of facts. You don’t know anything about Ethernet or TCP/IP.

Begging the question, a.k.a. circular reasoning, logical fallacy.

The link you provide here goes to speedtest.net, so that proves that you still don’t understand it.

That speedtest link shows that the test I performed - which disproves your claim outright - was not caused by poor interconnect speed. I’ve since duplicated the test with other equipment. Feel free to tell us what equipment you’ve used to achieve different results.

I really don’t know how much more you need to show you are wrong, but wrong you are.

I’ve provided the results of actual demonstrations. And, you still conflate streaming, caching, and downloading, as though they were all the same thing.

Streamed Quboz tracks are not downloaded in full to cache before playback starts. It’s unclear why you refuse to acknowledge that, especially given that it’s been proven in demos.