A Few Turntable Measurements using the RPM Android App


I found this Android phone app for TT rotation. Phone is Pixel 4a. Thought I'd try this app out. I'm skeptical of these phone apps. Accuracy is always an issue.

I have four tables. I took 5 readings for the first table in order to see what the repeatability is. The "absolute" RPM, RPM peak to peak, and 2 sigma  range readings were very, very repeatable. Consequtive RPM readings differed by a max of  0.01 RPM. Two sigma varied by 0.01% ( 2 sigma means that 86% of the readings were within the stated value). I personally would use 3 sigma, but that's a personal quibble.

I've measured all four of my tables. I am very certain that the results are very repeatable. I measured with no LP, LP rotating,  LP on and Stylus engaged, and phone offset from center. RPM was the same for all cases, The 2 sigma showed a  0.01% rise (really small). The reading at the edge of the LP was different. And scary to do!

Here's the results:

1. DD-40 #1, RPM = 33.32,  2 sigma = 0.07% (63 dB)

2. DD-40 #2, RPM = 33.27,  2 sigma = 0.09% (61 dB)

3. Acoustic Signature WOW XXL, RPM = 33.17,  2 sigma = 0.10% (60 dB). This varied 0.02% from reading to reading (after running the table for 10 minutes, this noise diminishes), but the 2 sigma stayed the same.

4. Denon DP-57L, RPM = 33.25,  2 sigma = 0.02% (74 dB).

 

I then went back to DD-40 #1. Using the RPM app, I set the mean speed to be 33.25. The strobe on the table was slowly moving! I checked against the strobe on the Cardas test LP and yes, the RPM speed accuracy was wrong. I reset TT speed using the strobe. The RPM app measured 33.23 again. I must conclude that although the RPM app is very repeatable, the absolute accuracy is not. The wow result (2 sigma variation) remains the same.

 

I measured the 45 RPM on DD-40 #1. RPM = 44.91, 2 sigma = 0.05%, so the 45 RPM is fairly accurate and the 2 sigma is lower.

 

This app makes no distinction between wow and flutter. It's all reported in the wow reading (wow and flutter are the same thing by nature, the only difference is the frequency range).

 

I'm surprised by the poor performance of the WOW XXL table. This a modern, belt driven table, with a massive platter. It is 5 years old. There's no way for the user to adjust the RPM. The variation in the speed is similar or slightly higher than the 40+ years old Micro Seiki DD-40 tables, which don't have crystal oscillator driven speed control. The WOW XXL takes about 10 minutes before the very high frequency variations settle. Now, I don't know much about the internal workings of the app. Helpful would be better accuracy (or the AC frequency in my house is not 60 Hz). Bandwidth is not reported.

The DP-57L performance is outstanding!. This TT was made in the 80s. And the DD-40 tables are not bad, but are as good as or better than the WOW XXL.

In summary, in my opinion, the RPM Android App is very useful. The absolute accuracy is a bit off, but the repeatability is very good The wow measurement is also quite good.

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@kevemaher  : " Is there any scientific data that indicates how a person with "normal" listening abilities perceives audio distortions? "

 

It's weird that less that two hour after your questions you found out the " answers ". Nothing wrong with that.

Now, that's not what I was talking about or what E.Long in the review posted: due to the vacuum clamping all the members on the listening panel heard the difference in the quality/kind of reproduced sound. Not even Long posted nothing about THD or IMD changes with and with out vacuum but more about good damping or as mijo said underdamped .

Anyway, in any listen sound pick up by human been ears we have to take in count that ears is only one tool in the human been to identify sound because you, me and ever one listen through our whole body: ears, bones muscles, nervous skin terminations, hair and the like. Not easy to to it overall.

 

R.

@kevemaher  : Obviously that mijos and I knew Atmos is entertainment and the posts were only mijos and I entertaiment/humor and that's all.

 

"" We are at the mercy of recording and mastering techs.  "2

I have to add : " and each one whole playback process.

I own not 3 but all those PHASE FOUR recordings and some ar just ok but nothing more.

 

R.

 

 

Dear @kevemaher  : " I was shocked by the poorer performance of the WOW. Acoustic Signature does not publish specs for speed stability, wow, flutter and rumble. "

"" It is very obvious now why Acoustic Signature does not publish these specifications. It could be very difficult to explain why a 70s "entry level" table beats their Double X for wow, flutter and rumble. ""

 

" " I was fooled. I bought it. One of my biggest audio gear mistakes. Won't happen again."

 

You posted about specs and what you measured and even that all " against " results to your AS TT you posted something that speaks fine for the listening quality playback of that TT:

 

""""" I also have a modern table, an Acoustic Signature WOW XXL. The table works fine, although there is no means to adjust the rotation speed.  """"""

 

and when you posted was only ignorance from your self due that that TT you can fine tune the rotation speed.  So seems that that TT is fine TT as you posted. The other issue with was that you don't like its tonearm and you changed but even you don't use your Denon because you don't like the look of the Denon unit  !  !

 

 

""I am also boggled to read that the reviewer summarized that the Double X performance as "high end". ""

 

Well for the reviewer that unit is " high end " but the issue could be something that only you can answer: what is high end for you?   your main reference on your system TTs units and what hipotethically I can think is that maybe your true entry level MS DD-40 is that high end for you:  is it?  and if it is nothing wrong with that. Your answer appreciated.

 

 

""""" I have difficulty accepting commonly asserted "facts" unless there is data that has been peer reviewed. """""

 

Well in this and almost other internet audio forums for sure you will have very hard " times " .

 

My take in audio is that must be an equilibrium between objectivity and subjectivity, both extremes are not something good but the other way around.

 

R.

@rauliruegas I appreciate your willingness to continue this discussion.

However, I have learned much more than I needed from this conversation. I don't regret any of the comments made on this forum. For me however, the need for exchange of ideas has passed.

And I have have acted upon what I've learned.

A Technics SL-1200G Silver is on its way to me. I will have it this weekend.

This will be another learning experience for me.

This purchase is a direct result of your recommendation for "high end" turntables. I thank you for that great tip.

 

 

@kevemaher  : I never posted that that Technics was a high-end TT so don't put " words " in my mouth.

 

The next links are only for our friends in this thread could in what scenario I recomended that Technics that is traveling to your place:

 

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/zyx-house-sound/post?postid=2566659#2566659

 

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/zyx-house-sound/post?postid=2567061#2567061

 

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/zyx-house-sound/post?postid=2567138#2567138

 

Btw, you are welcome.

 

R.