How Do Amps Affect Soundstage?


I'm not that technically strong on audio yet, so please refrain from mockery on this....

My DAC, premamp, and amp combo (all tube) throw a nice soundstage.  If I substitute (at least some) solid state stereo amps, soundstage is constricted.  If the amp is basically just increasing the signal that it is receiving from the preamp, I don't get how the size and shape of the presentation is altered materially from what the preamp is delivering. (I get that the signal could get distorted, etc.).  How does the amp play such role?  And do monoblocks enjoy any design advantage in maintaining the soundstage received?  Thanks.

mathiasmingus

amplifiers are part of the distortion equation. especially the amplifier<->speaker relationship. if the amplifiers have headroom in the ability to keep the speaker linear, then the subtle ambient clues and musical threads that occupy the soundstage can be fully rendered. obviously acoustics play their role too. it’s not just the amp<->speaker by themselves.

if the amplifier cannot fully control the speaker then the details of the music break down and the soundstage becomes a mess to one degree or another. you are suddenly hearing individual speakers as sound, individual drivers as sound, and not as a musical whole. it’s the distortion that is causing the music to turn to just sound. the distortion reminds us that it’s reproduced, and not real.

this is the biggest cause of the music sounding hard or flat, or the soundstage collapsing. lack of cohesion between the amps and the speakers.

when you hear a system that can do large scale music with ease, when the music breathes, and can keep together and rise and fall with the musical flow, the amplifier has to be right as part of the package. it’s the ’heart’ of what you are hearing. for a recording to be presented completely the amps have to be right.

mono blocks in and of themselves are not significant. there are stereo amplifiers at the highest levels of amplifiers. however; mono blocks can deliver more performance within some design approaches  as then you have each channel optimized. but mono blocks or stereo chassis does not tell you good, better, best by itself. too many degrees of good.

If only there was a way to measure soundstage, transparency, definition and dynamics.

The fact that there is no clear cut solution to matching an amp and speaker conundrum you can just skip the entire mess...just buy active speakers. The speaker designer can match the drivers to the amp, use an active crossover, and provide a tailored solution for that price point.

 

Thanks all.  Mike Lathat vigne's response is most interesting.  The recent comparison that brought this to light for me was swapping my ARC Ref75se for a First Watt F7, running into Harbeth 40.2.  (To be sure, I am talking about a decrease in the soundstage that WAS THERE in the source and system before just changing the amp). Technically the F7 (25-35W) is underpowered for the 86db sensitivity Harbeth's, but I was thinking no big deal - my ARC amp was rarely drawing more than 10-15W for the volumes I need.  I am not a bass maniac and am satisfied so long as long as the bass is not muddy (the F7 seemed to have plenty of bass control).  But perhaps the undergunning nature of the F7 affected SQ in other ways.