Ortofon Kontrapunkt C vs. Cadenza Bronze


I enjoyed the Kontrapunkt C for many years, but now its stylus is well-worn. I replaced it with a Cadenza Bronze, understanding that the Bronze was the closest to it, a direct descendant if you like. I think the top member of the Cadenza range, the Black, is more like a descendant of the Jubilee.

The Kontrapunkt C had an amazing ability to make me want to keep on listening, always wanting just one more side before bed. I'm not noticing that with the Bronze, which is very good, but not addictively so.

So I'm thinking I might send the Kontrapunkt C off to VAS to get re-tipped. There is a difference in stylus between these cartridges, the older one has a "nude FG 80" and the Bronze has a "Replicant 100." Given that Steve Leung can pretty much put any kind of stylus on there, what do you think I should order up? My feeling is to ask for whatever is closest to the original, if I am to re-create what I loved about it before.

dogberry

Yes, but can Leung really source an FG80 stylus? Some of those Ortofon shapes are proprietary. If he can’t, you might try Expert Stylus in the UK.

He can put an FG2 on it, he tells me, for $350. Does anyone know how this varies from the FG80?

Dear @dogberry  : You have other excellent alternative through J.Long ( @needlestein  ) who is an expert retipper too and can help to paired your Knontrapunkt with the replicant stylus tip and maybe the 100 that's better than the 80. 

Call him and decide what you want: 860-338-0153 or by email:

Cartridge_Retipping@outlook.com

He has several options for you.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

How likely is it that the different styli are making me prefer one over the other? To fit the Kontrapunkt C with a Replicant stylus would make it like the Bronze, I think, and that's not what I'm aiming for. I assume there are other internal changes between the generations that may be more important, and either for better or worse.

Nothing else has changed in the system - same table (well, same model but a second example), tonearm, phono stage, preamp etc. So all I want to achieve is the sound from it that I used to have.

Dear @dogberry  : Even that it " looks " as the Bronce could be its close " bro " to your C you can be sure that both cartridge motors are different.

 

Now, if you want as you posted exactly the same C quality performance any re-tipper you choose ask to change only the stylus but NO the cantilever because then what you like in that cartridge will change for ever instead the improved stylus tip gives you only more of what you like.

In other thread we ask @jcarr  ( Lyra designer ) which is more important for the overall cartridge quality performance, in that thread almost all of us believed that the stylus shape but he said the first than all it's the cantilever: is more important. So be carefully about. You can ask J.Long which stylus shape could be " mounted/inserted " in the C cantilever because different stylus shape has not the same top " plate " dimensions and that could affect the final cartridge sound. J.Long is very friendly, just try and ask about and please read this post by him:

 

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/replicant-100-stylus/post?postid=2326742#2326742

 

Btw, @lewm , yes you are right Expert stylus is very good re-tipper too but its prices are higher too.

 

R.