Tube arch


Ok I’ll keep this short. So my last post was about a tube arc. Took out a resistor on one of my Audio Research Ref 750s. I replaced the resistor and put in a matching KT150. My question is how can I avoid this from happening again. Someone said that when the tubes get up there in hours there is a very good chance of an arc will happen again. After a certain amount of hours should I just change all the 18 KT150s ? Even if they still sound good ? Btw. I have always had SS amps and pre amps. I finally bought an Audio Research REF 6 pre a few years ago and had it upgraded to the 6SE. But as far as tubes amps the Audio Research REF 750s are my first tube amps. This will always be on my mind now especially when the hours of the tubes start reaching a high hour number. Thank you. Mike. Ps I heard that this was a pretty rare thing to have happened and it was probably caused by shipping.

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I’ll keep this short. So my last post was about a tube arc. Took out a resistor on one of my Audio Research Ref 750s. I replaced the resistor and put in a matching KT150. My question is how can I avoid this from happening again.

@tattooedtrackman I see what you did there a 'short' is why a tube arcs...

Anyway there is nothing you can do to actually avoid this but you do have good advice as to how to minimize it. The thing is, bad tubes gonna arc and age has nothing to do with it. Sometimes shipping is an influence and other times the tubes are simply bad and fail regardless. What I'm saying here is a tube might last 2 minutes or 2 years; there's not much way to know which, other than vetting the tube as best you can. 

ARC amps use a sacrificial resistor because if the resistor was rated to not fail, Bad Things would happen elsewhere in the amp that would be a lot more expensive to repair!

A fuse of course could solve the problem. They could be a lot easier to replace than a resistor. An LED could light to show the bad fuse...

@atmasphere  Thank you for your response. So actually what u are saying is that when a tube goes bad it will always ARC ? And will take out a resistor along with it ? Is this on all tube amps ? Or Audio research? Or just on Audio Research Ref 750s because of all the 18 KT150s on ea amp ? 

So actually what u are saying is that when a tube goes bad it will always ARC ? And will take out a resistor along with it ? Is this on all tube amps ? Or Audio research?

@tattooedtrackman Arcing is the primary failure mode of modern power tubes but they can fail without arcing. Older power tubes might just fade away. This has to do with the cathode coating of the tube which was a lot better in the old days- nowadays it starts flaking off like old paint and so the tube starts arcing. Since any KT- numbered tube above 88 is a newer production tube, I would expect arcing as a failure mode to be pretty common.

Whether it takes a resistor with it depends on the design. I don’t have direct experience with ARC in this regard, but this is the sort of thing I’ve heard about them for some decades now. We built our amps to hold together when a tube arcs, for the simple reason that a tube can fail inside the warranty period of the amp, and shipping it back on that account can cost a lot of money over time as well as increased frustration for all parties concerned.

There are a good number of tube amps, in particular those designed around tetrode or pentode power tubes, where a resistor can fail if the tube fails. This sort of thing has been going on a long time; for example the old and venerable HK Citation 2 would do this and that amp was built in 1959. I’m guessing that ARC, grounded in history so to speak, didn’t see this as a problem.