Have There Ever Been Fake Koetsu?


There are as few trusted grey market sellers like 2Juki. I have always wondered why he can sell a Koetsu at about 1/3 of what the US importer lists it at. Yes I understand the markup is pretty high for the US side, and that certainly accounts for all of it. 

This question is not about 2Juki, but rather a second hand Koetsu. There happens to be an attractively priced Jade Platinum on this site, and its from a long time member. It has caught my eye. 

 

But I do wonder if there are Koetsu out there floating around in the 2nd hand market that are not real...fakes. 

Any thoughts or experiences?

neonknight

I keep eyes on the various markets and haven’t ever seen any Koetsu bodies that would give me concern. I’ve had 6 Koetsu in my hands - about half from used market, some purchased new from dealer, most the the used ones have gone through rebuild via Koetsu Japan (who would have rejected counterfeits). I’m pretty certain a counterfeit (not just gray market; an actual counterfeit attempt) would look or feel quite weird in some way. The Koetsu bodies are very finely crafted.

I share concern in general about 2juki’s sources and practices, but not on the topic of Koetsu counterfeits.

What I do see is a lot of retipped Koetsu for sale! Sometimes just the tip, sometimes the whole cantilever. Sometimes this is NOT disclosed in the ad. You need to learn what these stylus mountings (and boron and joint pipe) should look like up close, and how to spot obvious 3rd party retips. Modern Koetsu uses a very clean interface fit, with (usually) minimal glue. The "mound of glue" mountings are not Koetsu. Vintage Koetsu aren’t as clean looking as modern, but still not a mound of glue. The mound of glue is a perfectly valid mounting technique btw, but it’s never been used by Koetsu. I believe Lyra’s diamond mountings look a lot like Koetsu’s - probably from the same Japanese supplier.

@neonknight

Here’s my vintage Musashino Onyx, rebuilt by Koetsu a few years ago. Note the metal "shoe" on the side facing the record, with bulk of the glue used on other side. I’ve seen cleaner examples of this lol.

And here’s their diamond cantilever (also my pic). Very clean mount of diamond to diamond; minimal glue - but the bond to joint pipe is a bit more messy:

There was recently a Koetsu (Burma Jade) for sale that looked like diamond cantilever from afar but was really some 3rd party sapphire job that looked truly awful, even at much lower magnification.