new to streaming- help!


Hi all-

I'm a long time audiophile but have always gone the cd/vinyl route.  I am trying streaming but having trouble setting up a Bluesound Node X.  Something about my wifi it doesn't like...I am enjoying Tidal on my Macbook, however.  Which brings me to a question.  Would I get better sound quality anyway if I just connected my laptop to an external dac?  Should I scrap the Blue Sound?  And if go that route, does it matter if I have my laptop connected to ethernet, or will sound quality be the same on either ethernet or wifi?  (Asssuming a cable from MAC to DAC...).

Alternatively, would it make sense to run Tidal from Ipad to DAC? Or does one need  a streamer like Blue sound to do that?

I'm sure this will get sorted out, but feeling slightly overwhelmed at the moment.

Thanks!

Margot

mcanaday

As you can see from this thread the standard opinion is that PCs are not good for streaming. My experience has been different. I have an ASUS gaming laptop hooked up to my DAC with a USB cable (I'm using Qobuz). I have compared several CDs to their streamed counterparts through the same DAC and found that there is no detectable difference in their sound. It turns out that most people have not tried this themselves - they just repeat the conventional wisdom that you have to have a streamer to get good sound. Never mind that this "wisdom" is perpetrated by an industry that wants to sell you streamers.

If the streamed content through a computer sounds just as good as the CD then my position is that is as good as it gets. It's unreasonable to assume that you will get better sound from streaming after the WAV file is broken into packets, sent over thousands miles of wire and dozens of routers, reassembled into a streamed file, and run through another piece of digital gear as opposed to the simplicity of spinning a CD - a mature technology that the industry has had decades to perfect..

Before you do back flips and spend tons of money on a streamer I strongly suggest that you compare streaming from your iMac to a few CDs and see if you can hear the difference. If the computer sounds inferior then by all means get a dedicated streamer. But I think there's a pretty good chance that it will sound the same as the CD and you can be comfortable that your simple solution is just fine.

BTW, I do think that whatever you use for streaming, you should hook it up to the router with an ethernet cable instead of using wifi. I have 100 gig fiber and the wifi occasionally had dropouts so now I use an ethernet cable.

OP,

Keep at it, for the average person even an entry level dedicated streamer will best a computer based system.....though some techie types have figured out how to do it well. The BlueSound OS is excellent, and the Node X is a talented streamer. Yes if you can, go directly into the Node with an ethernet connection.....others can help if an extender or mesh system is helpful.

I have an ASUS gaming laptop hooked up to my DAC with a USB cable (I’m using Qobuz). I have compared several CDs to their streamed counterparts through the same DAC and found that there is no detectable difference in their sound. It turns out that most people have not tried this themselves

@8th-note I did, and I’m sure many others here have as well — we audiophiles just can’t help ourselves. I started streaming from my computer (also with Qobuz) and was pretty happy with the sound, but one day I got curious and did a direct A/B comparison with CDs using my transport into the same DAC and was pretty depressed when I found CDs to consistently sound significantly better across the board — not even close. The noise floor dropped, imaging popped, soundstage expanded, and dynamics improved. It was like moving from MP3 to CD resolution if I were to make an apt analogy. This was a bad day as an audiophile. When I brought this up here several people said I needed to get a dedicated streamer, so still a little skeptical I heeded that advice and bought a used iFi Zen Stream, which is decent but by no means is a high-end streamer, and BAM! Right away it was clear the streaming now significantly bettered CDs. The difference was not subtle, and needless to say I was very happy and greatly relieved (and very appreciative of the sage advice and encouragement I got here!). Likewise I’d encourage anyone using a computer source who thinks it sounds good to at least try a dedicated streamer — you might be surprised, as I was, about how much performance you may be leaving on the (computer) table.

@soix +1

This was my experience as well, though I just upgraded my streamer from a Sonos Connect rather than a PC. Night and day difference.

@yage nailed it... 

The OP said: "This is in a college dorm rather than private home."

Which @yage diagnosed: "Are you trying to connect the Node to the campus wi-fi / local network? If so, the university IT staff may be blocking certain networking ports for security reasons. This may be what’s keeping your iPhone / MacBook from communicating with the Node.

@mcanaday CAN connect via BT which is a direct connection to the Node. Via wi-fi however, his control devices (iPhone, etc.) have to locate the node on the network. There's every likelihood that will be impossible on the university's wi-fi without their assistance. As it's rather doubtful he has physical access to the network, so suggesting that he "run a cable from the router" is no help in this case.

There is one other thing you might try. I take it you can connect your iPhone to the university's wifi? If so, make note of the SSD (aka "name") of the network it's connected to. My guess is there are several available to try and spread out network traffic. Then via a BT connection to the Node, go to the BlueOS setup to see if it's connecting to the same SSD. If not, it's likely that's your problem. I have two SSDs at home and sometimes if my phone is connected to the one my Node2i is not connected to I have to swap networks. Good luck!

Happy listening.