Could you elaborate further on why you didn't think the Benchmark was a good match for the LRS+...and how did it compare to the Sanders...and also, at what listening volumes.
Thanks, I'd appreciate any insight you could provide.
CODA #16 vs Benchmark AHB2 | Yamaha NS500 Speaker
Last week I purchased a 11-month-old Benchmark AHB2 for the 6th time. I am actually $$ positive on the other 5 cumulative buys. The reason I got it again was that I love the sound of this amp, especially on the top end. My prior speakers were Thiel CS3.7 and KEF LS50. The LS50 sounded great with the AHB2 but it is not full range and the AHB2 was not really taxed that much. I even had AHB2 monos with both speakers. The Thiel was not as dynamic as I wanted it to be with both the stereo and mono AHB2 (especially on the low end).
My KRELL DUO 175XD (sold), CODA #8 (sold), and Parasound A21+ (sold) sounded more alive with the Thiel CS3.7. It was the bottom end that those amps sounded better than the AHB2. However, the AHB2 was preferred to all those amps in the top-end, though the KRELL’s super buttery smoothness is something I miss.
I now have 2 new speakers, the Yamaha NS5000 and the Magnepan LRS+. The Yamaha is in my kid’s playroom / audio room (Livingroom), 15x20x25. The LRS+ is in a small office, 12x11x9 (plus a 4-foot closet for desk and monitors). The LRS+ is like the Thiel CS3.7 with regards to the amp requirements, so I never even considered the AHB2. The 2 best amps I have had on the LRS+ are the CODA #16 and the Sanders Magtech.
The Yamaha NS5000 is another story. It is a much better speaker than the LRS+. It is also better than my RAAL SR1a earphones + RAAL VM-1a amp, which I never thought I would say. This speaker is also not that hard to drive. The Yamaha M5000 amp that is recommended for the NS5000 (I heard it) has 100-watts.
My setup is as follow:
- Yggi+ Less is More DAC + Sonore OpticalRendu streamer
- Holo Serene preamp
- CODA #16 amp
- Yamaha NS5000 speakers (long wall placement with no first reflection issues and a very high ceiling that I think mitigates the speaker being only 18 inches from the front wall. No DSP used but, in the future, I will call Mitch Barnett from AcurateSound.ca to take a look at my setup to get his opinion. He does ROON compliant Convolution filters (DSP).
- Cables used were Benchmark XLR between the DAC and preamp and preamp and amp. I normally use Audience AU24 SE from DAC to preamp but not this time due to placement issues for the test.
- Speaker cable is WyWire Platinum. I sold WyWire Diamond a few weeks ago and put the Platinum with the NS5000. It is an OK cable.
The contender was the used AHB2 with the Benchmark speaker cables ($150).
Replacing the CODA #16 with the AHB2 and the Benchmark speaker cables revealed that the AHB2 is still the king on top. Just so smooth and beautiful. The surprise was the bass. Tons of bass, I was not aware that the AHB2 could do bass like this. It was almost like CODA #16 bass. However, there was a hardness to the sound that I could physically feel in my ears.
I should have mentioned that I normally have a Benchmark DAC3B in the Livingroom system streamed via a PlayBack Designs Streamer-IF. The plan is to get the PBD Dream DAC in the future. I first did a ROON grouped stream with the Yggi+ and the DAC3B getting the same signal to do quick A/B comparisons. It was easy to see that the DAC3B was too hot on top for the AHB2. For the CODA #16 that hotness is masked a bit, and it is not a problem.
I left the Benchmark DAC3B behind and just went with the Yggi+ LIM (my office DAC). I was still getting a hint of hardness in the sound. It was not in the top end but in the lower end. For example, on the Eagles Hotel California the drum hits were sounding too hard (physically irritating). It was not as bad as the DAC3B (also bad on top) but still not perfect. Though I was wondering if I could live with it. It sounded pretty good though not perfect.
The next thing I did was try the Yggi+ in NOS mode. That sounded dull to me, and I dropped that as an option.
Then I thought let’s try the WyWire Platinum speaker cable on the AHB2. On the same Eagles song, the drum hits sounded different but still a bit irritating in a different area of the sound.
This got me thinking that the AHB2 is really revealing deficiencies in my speaker cables and maybe with great cables this setup would work. I so happen to have great cables. I have very short Audience FrontRow speaker cables from years ago that I luckily got low balled when I tried to sell. I bought them to use with my old RAAL SR1a setup, but great speaker cables are no longer needed for the SR1a (new solution available).
I converted the AHB2 to mono and tried only 1 speaker with the FrontRow. Now this is not really an apples-to-apples comparison but the irritation I got from the drum hits totally disappeared. I actually did not want to stop listening even though it was only 1 speaker. It sounded amazing, as good as the CODA #16 with the WyWire cables. Now maybe the CODA #16 with longer FrontRow speaker cables, goes ahead again.
I will be buying a second AHB2 to use with the existing short FrontRow cable. Buying a longer FrontRow is much more expensive than getting a second used AHB2. I will move the CODA #16 to the office LRS+ system.
This was a very satisfying result. A couple of things to note. With the AHB2 I prefer a very quiet preamp such as the Holo Serene or Benchmark LA4. I liked the AHB2 with the CODA 07x preamp (sold) but not as much as the quieter Serene and LA4. The AHB2 in stereo mode is not that loud, there are 3 gain settings on the amp. I tried the lowest and middle settings. Getting AHB2 monos gives 6dB more loudness. I would use monos on the lowest setting, where the amp measures the best. The PlayBack Designs DAC with the AHB2 should be killer with this combo. I was not sure if my personal tastes would match the Dream DAC with the CODA #16.
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@snapsc I will do that sometime this week (maybe tonight). I spoke to a dealer about an amp for the LRS+ and the AHB2 came up for discussion. He said that he had heard the combo, but it was just OK and could not play loud. Those comments took me back to my experience with the Thiel CS3.7 and AHB2 stereo and mono days. The CS3.7 and LRS+ are similar in amp requirements (I think). I only got my latest AHB2 a few days ago and did not even consider putting it on the LRS+. I am sure my test with that combo will reveal what I am predicting. With regards to the Sanders Magtech. It is a superb Class AB amp. Not heavy, does not get hot, and can play loud and also at very low volume. The 3 amps I have in the house are all great at low volume. The CODA #16 and Sanders with both the NS5000 and LRS+. The AHB2 with the NS5000. When I say low volume great, I mean that the sound does not drop off completely at some frequencies. With these 3 amps you hear everything, it is just quieter. I think that is a great accomplishment for an amp. I think being quiet helps. though a lot of amps are quiet these days. The Sanders has the sound exploding out of the LRS+. I tried a few amps prior, and I was disappointed in the subdued nature of the sound. The minute I put in the Sanders and listened at moderate volume I was very happy. The sound just exploded out of the speakers. I am used to it now, but the first time was a nice surprise. The Sanders was not at all fatiguing, unlike the PeachTree GAN400 that I tried on the LRS+. The Sanders became even better when I was able to fit the short Audience FrontRow speaker cable. Actually, that was a huge upgrade. I am so lucky I did not sell that short FrontRow cable. I just remembered that all my DACs are in the Livingroom system for my Saturday listening session. I will update you on Sunday after I put my Office system back together.
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The Sanders does not sound grainy on top as a lot of AB amps sound to me. The CODA #16 Class A sweetness is not there with the Sanders. I have zero complaints about the Sanders. I actually threw out the shipping box and the LRS+ box since I did not see myself changing from these 2 in the office. I seem like a guy that is flipping gear, I was in the past 5 years, but I am now in the home stretch. My office system is done, the Livingroom system is done (just need to figure out a way to keep the CODA). Only shipping boxes, I have left are the CODA, AHB2, and a huge Magnum Dynalab tuner shipping box, for when I have to ship it back to Canada for recalibration.
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@snapsc I was curious about the AHB2 on the LRS+ so I tried with 2 of my tuners. The preamp was the Benchmark LA4. I was expecting a tamed top end because FM tends to be a little rolled off. With my warm tuner the sound was sharper than I expected and very clean sounding. The sound did not extend outside the speakers. With my top end tuner, a tuner that has CD like sound. The sound was fatiguing. I was getting irritation in the ears and part of my head that starts hurting with bad sound. I should mention that I was using the same FrontRow speaker cable that worked so well on the NS5000 + AHB2. Compared to the Sanders on the LRS+, the AHB2 is not as dynamic, it is fatiguing, the volume on the preamp needs to be set high, and it is clearer sounding. It actually sounds super clean (like the NS5000) but this time with fatigue. With my NS5000, I had fatigue with the lesser quality speaker cables. I should also mention that I set the gain on the AHB2 to the highest level, which is supposed to be the worst measured setting. The preamp was at 65% for moderate listening levels. Normally you set the gain to the lowest level when paired with the LA4. After I started getting the ear fatigue, I immediately went back to the Sanders to see if the sound cleared up. It definitely did and my ear fatigue immediately went away. Unless you are planning to add some warmth with a tube or Class A preamp, I would not use the AHB2 with the LRS+. My appreciation of the Sanders and LRS+ combo went up even more today. Just a perfect combo. This test reminded me of when I demoed the Magico A3 speaker with the AHB2. It was way too underpowered. I should add that I listen to my top tuner almost every day with the Sanders. I am almost always amazed at how good the sound is. Like right now as I listen to KCRW at night. The sounds is dynamic, extends beyond the speakers, fatigue free, and almost as clean as the AHB2 on top. |
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