How important is the efficiency of a speaker to you?

Dear @daveyf  : It seems to me that if you put together some vali with facts and knowledge levels on speakers it looks as some way or the other we need something that just does not exist and we are looking in a transducer that makes all to be posible: there is no single or"  surrounded " perfect speakers/transducer and never will.

In the other side some of those gentlemans with good speaker knowledge levels have not the same good knowledge levels about amps/electronics and this fact makes everything more complicated to really have a good conclusion.

Example: even its inherent importance of speaker impedance phase no one name it and this is something to take care when we are choosing an amp we need to know the speaker impedance measures/curve and its phase down there.

Topic per sé is endless..

R.

The amount of solid state amps that sound good with high sensitivity speakers is also limited, that's why a lot of people choose set amps with these types of speakers.

Example: even its inherent importance of speaker impedance phase no one name it and this is something to take care when we are choosing an amp

@rauliruegas Actually this has been brought up in this thread.

@daveyf  : Trouble ( if any ) with the whole subject  that is confirmed through the thread posts is that each one of us have our each kind of target for home MUSIC reproduction and even several of us just do not have targets about.

In my opinion and before to look for efficiency/amps and the like is to be very specific the kind of MUSIC/sound each one of us want it I think that this is the main and critical factor to decide the: MUSIC reproduction sources, transducers, electronics, room treatment, cables and the like even our seat position and the kind of chair to listen sessions.

R.

@atmasphere wrote:

I look at it this way- if you can’t drive it well with 100 Watts (in most rooms), its a problem.

+1

... and 1000 Watt amps that sound like music don’t seem to exist although class D is getting close with amps that can make 600 Watts or so.

Whether or not there’s a generality to your claim above, I can’t say, but I was surprised to learn that a 600W class A/B power amp from MC² Audio was perhaps even more "musical" sounding than a 30W class A ditto from Belles (which was a great amp) - that is, driving a 111dB horn/compression driver combo connected directly to their terminals (i.e.: actively, sans passive crossovers). Nothing sterile, tonally lean, mechanical or bright sounding about the Brit, I can tell you that, or whatever you’re implying about high power amps sonics. To boot its inherent noise level (in fully differential balanced mode) is slightly lower than the Belles (unbalanced), even with a 32dB vs. 26dB gain. I feared it would have been the other way ’round.

Btw. it’s 8 ohm EV DH1A drivers (that can also be had in 16 ohm versions), but without the intervention of passive crossovers, added to +110dB sensitivity and the amp being limited to run the load from ~600Hz on up, it’s a piece-of-cake job for an amp if ever there was one. Show me an amp running a 16 ohm load, full-range and looking into a passive crossover that will be running in cruise mode the same way. Not going to happen.

It’s not that I need that much power in my setup (also falling in line with the first quoted part of yours above), but I wanted to use the same amps in my 3-way active system from top to bottom, and ended up "replicating" the one used on the subs to begin with - one that turned out to be great sounding full-range as well (which I expected, given their reputation). As they say: if it sounds great, it sounds great.

@invalid wrote:

The amount of solid state amps that sound good with high sensitivity speakers is also limited, that’s why a lot of people choose set amps with these types of speakers.

Another generality, indeed this one is a myth that has gone on forever. From my experience it holds little to no bearing (I can imagine it would have been an issue back in the very early days when SS amps likely sounded like crap, or certainly worse than today), but you’re certainly allowed to take fuller advantage of a low wattage SET design when driving very high efficiency speakers, and such a combo can indeed sound fantastic. The inherent noise level of such amps sees some filtration through passive crossovers. Actively, another matter, and it’s also why I prefer SS amps in that constellation.