I said nothing for or against the Ginkgo Cloud or other solid or semi-solid support systems designed to absorb energy sans springs or soft rubber mounts. (At least, I don’t think the Gingko uses springs; I could be wrong there, and if I am wrong, then I would not use the Gingko under a SOTA tt.) Yes, you DO have a way of knowing without trying (contrary to your sentence above) why spring on spring can be a very bad idea. (It’s never a "good" idea but by chance one might not create serious problems.) Just read up on Simple Harmonic Motion and spring rates, etc. Can you get away with it and using subjective judgement go away thinking there is a benefit? Sure. Happens all the time in this hobby. Consider this thought experiment: you have a nice modern sedan that has a spring and damper suspension conducive to a nice smooth ride down a typical imperfect highway. Now put your sedan on a flatbed trailer, strap it down to the bed, and ride in your car while someone else drives the trailer down the same highway. The trailer has its own suspension with its own spring rates and damping. You will be tossed around a lot more in your car tied to the trailer than you were when your own suspension was ameliorating bumps in the road.
Sota Sapphire and Isolation?
Greetings, y'all! I should be receiving my new Sota Sapphire on Tuesday. I'm psyched! I currently have my Rega on a Gingko Cloud isolation platform. Since the Sota is a suspended table, will I need the isolation? Obviously, I won't know anything until I get the table setup, but my excitement is looking for any reason to engage with my new Sota. LOL. Thanks, y'all!
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In my experiences and one that has not involved spending $0000's on a Sub Support for a TT, there are methods that will tidy the TT's presentation up. After introducing other TT set Ups to methods selected by myself, there in not a ubiquitous method that works equally in the environments where loaned support methods have been demonstrated and offered up for extended loan periods. The method adopted that has the most success in relation to my experiences and the one that is today superseding all others used in the past, is to used a Sub Plinth produced from a Phenolic Resin Impregnated Densified Wood, produced with a Cross Grain Structure, with a Thickness of 25mm (1"). The Densified Wood Board depending on weight to be mounted as a TT> DW Boards combined weight has been to use a Pneumatic Footer under/over DW Board, such as a AT 616 footer. Other Brands are available and will do similar as a footer, I have heard them in comparison and know there are valuable similarities. If TT weight is not too much of a concern, the Solid Tech 'Feet of Silence' with a O Ring suspension has been the most valuable footer used for tidying the overall presentation up. As a side, I firmly stand by the notion proposed by myself on the odd occasion, that the Aluminium Base used for mounting the TT's Parts and then Suspended on the Sota, will be substantially upgraded if substituted for a Phenolic Resin Impregnated Wood Board similar to the constriction method already referred to. |
@lewm But the SOTA is already on another flatbed truck that is the shelf/cabinet that has its own issues and further depends on the quality of that unit so yet another unknown. Would you rather have your car on a flatbed truck with a spring suspension or on one with no springs in the suspension at all and have your car beat to sh*t? The only question is if the vibrations from the cabinet are more harmful than using spring-based footers realizing that both have issues. Neither you nor I can answer that for sure given all the variables at play here, which is why it’s still worth at least trying. You’ve got an awesome system BTW. |
I firmly believe there is only one Interface responsible for creating a energy to be transferred and converted into a electrical signal to undergo stages of amplification and ultimately be transferred into sound. The only Interface responsible for creating a energy to be transferred and converted into a electrical signal is the Styli's Interface with the Groove Modulation. How the energy being created for transfer is kept to be unadulterated comes from creating optimisation of other critical interfaces able to transfer energy. When talking about Support Isolation the control is to reduce Ambient / Kinetic Energy being transferred into the Structure and ultimately impacting on the Styli in the Groove. Mechanical Energies are at play as well, and the best Isolation Platform ever produced is not going to resolve mechanical energy transfer impacting on the Styli. The conditions within the Platter Spindle Bearing Housing and hence the Platter being a conduit for transferral of energy, along with the Function of the Tonearm are contributors to energies being created that will impact on the Styli being able to produce a unadulterated signal. The Vinyl LP as the Source material being in many cases eccentric in rotation and contaminated with impurities are also contributors to the Styli being impacted on in a detrimental manner. Supporting a TT is only one consideration towards creating a optimised condition for the Styli / Groove Modulus Interface. I listen to a Vinyl Source, where there is a confidence three out of four of the items are addressed to a successful optimisation. Additional to this the Geometry for the Styli to be optimised is in my view very well cared for as well. Improving Eccentricity of the LP is one I have not spent too much energy to use corrective measures or monies on to resolve. |
Thank for this discussion y'all. I'll have to read it again when the TT arrives. I'm just gonna start with the TT on the shelf, see how that goes, and then experiment with the Gingko platform. It's not spring-loaded, by the way, it's a platform (uncertain of material) that rests on rubber balls. The number of balls used depends on the weight of the TT. Anyway, thanks for the discussion! |
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