New expensive power cord for amp and no change in sound?


I bought new an expensive(for me) well known and reviewed power cord for my very good amp and plugged it directly onto the wall socket. After a couple of weeks of daily use I hear no change in the sound quality from a $500 cord. I don’t want to name it for fear of getting my thread deleted. You would know it or at least be aware of the company. Did I throw away several thousand dollars? Before I get the snake oil answer I want to let you know that I bought an upgraded cord for my pre as suggested by the pre’s manufacturer and am pleased with the results.

I guess for full disclosure the amp’s manufacturer said don’t bother. But I had had good luck with the pre so I thought it would be a good idea.

Anybody else have this happen to them?

roxy1927

Unless there was something very wrong with your last power cord, or it was just a very poorly made one, you're not going to here any differences other than those that occur within your own mind via confirmation bias. This has been tested to death. BTW, no one will ever be able to rank a set of well made power cords by quality based upon what they cost. So spending stupid money on cords would be far better spent on room treatments or better gear IMO. I liken these kinds of gimmicks to the nutraceutical industries claims about their pills and potions-- they (almost) never EVER stand up to any kind of real scientific inquiry. The placebo effect however is very real and in almost all cases, the products never test better than the placebo control group. The claims made by so many ultra-high-end cable companies are pure sci-fi fantasy-- and they have the non-science to back them up! Just go for quality made cables that use quality materials, especially the connectors, and you'll be fine. Don't drive yourself mad buying into voodoo claims made by companies that make obscene profits by trying to differentiate their products with sci-fi lullabies. 

@wesheadley -

Unless there was something very wrong with your last power cord, or it was just a very poorly made one, you're not going to here any differences other than those that occur within your own mind via confirmation bias.

                                               And (again):

          Anyone that feels compelled to harp on not hearing any differences, is obviously too obtuse to understand the term "variables" (as frequently mentioned) and worthy of disregard. 

 The claims made by so many ultra-high-end cable companies are pure sci-fi fantasy-- and they have the non-science to back them up! Just go for quality made cables that use quality materials, especially the connectors, and you'll be fine. Don't drive yourself mad buying into voodoo claims made by companies that make obscene profits by trying to differentiate their products with sci-fi lullabies. 

       Another rerun, since so many of you are a waste of keystrokes:

Cargo cult science is a pseudoscientific method of research that favors evidence that confirms an assumed hypothesis. In contrast with the scientific method, there is no vigorous effort to disprove or delimit the hypothesis. The term cargo cult science was first used by physicist Richard Feynman during his 1974 commencement address at the California Institute of Technology.[1]

Cargo cults are religious practices that have appeared in many traditional tribal societies in the wake of interaction with technologically advanced cultures.

     Do a bit of research and you'll learn those primitives were limited in their understanding of what they saw with their eyes, based on their prior experience, education and BIASES.

                                                A rewind:

                 It isn't that the Denyin'tologists are ignorant.

               It's they're knowing* so much, that's WRONG.

                       *heart of the Dunning-Kruger Effect

                                              OR, two:

     The Church of the Naysayer Doctrine (like every other faith-based, religious cult) has as many dopes as it does Popes.   

     Bring up anything resembling SCIENCE/PHYSICS, dated later than the 1800’s and they become apoplectic, not having the formal education to comprehend the concepts, or- possible ramifications.    THAT would be hilarious, were it not so pathetic!        

           Gimme That Old Time Religion, Gimme That Old Time Religion, etc.

        At the very first mention of something as simple as Wave Function (a BASIC tenet of Quantum Mechanics), the Cargo Cult will label you a KOOK.

        But remember: they can only view/understand you, based on their limited experience, education and BIASES.

         They have overlooked the fact that, if not for the hypotheses/theories and experimentation, regarding Quantum Mechanics: a plethora of modern conveniences, medical devices and the gear they so love, would not exist.

          Had scientists, chemists and inventors shared the doctrines of the Cargo Cult (Denyin'tologists), there would be no semiconductors, computer chips, LASERs, or Magnetic Resonance Imaging devices (MRIs).

                                         Solid State amps?

                                     OOPS (back to tubes)!

                                        Your Smart Phone?

                                        FA'GET ABOUT IT!

                                         Your car's GPS?

                                                NOPE!

    Then too: some may be willfully ignorant and just enjoy being contentious.

                        Others: obtuse, uneducated*, misinformed?

      *Typically, from what's been exhibited here: H.S. STEM, if that, would be a safe inference.

      Either way: the result, when the Cult begins its rhetoric, is a classic demo of the Dunning- Kruger Effect.

                                          But, I digress: 

       Bring up those pesky details, regarding the likes of QED, Dielectric Absorption, Poynting's theorem and possible application/effects, relative to frequency, that our musical signals are carried via photon or wave, outside the conductor and you're a KOOK?

         Again: the Cargo Cult can only understand anyone with an actual background, experience and education in Physics/QED, based on THEIR own beliefs, education, experience and biases

                                      Remember this?.

     One anecdote  that some may find interesting: their walks in the woods and how his father would encourage him to look beyond the fact that something in nature exists, into why and how.

     It saddened him that while attending college, during a visit home and one of their walks: his dad asked what he was learning in college.

     At that moment, Feynman realized: if he tried to explain what he was learning, there was no way his dad could understand.                               

                            It wasn't an insult or condescension.

                                                Just reality.

                                    Oh well: let 'em go build a runway!

                                                    references:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applications_of_quantum_mechanics#:~:text=Examples%20include%20lasers%2C%20electron%20microscopes,systems%2C%20computer%20and%20telecommunication%20devices.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/08/13/what-has-quantum-mechanics-ever-done-for-us/?sh=37c459944046

https://uwaterloo.ca/institute-for-quantum-computing/quantum-101/quantum-applications-today

          But: I'm a kook, because I believe in the SCIENCE, from which all that sprang?

     https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/five-practical-uses-spooky-quantum-mechanics-180953494/

           Einstein got that last one wrong (Quantum Entanglement), BUT- I still wish he'd been alive, when the Hubble Telescope proved, what he considered his, "greatest blunder" (his inability to bring symmetry to his field equation, without lambda).

  https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200507/history.cfm#:~:text=Einstein's%20original%20equations%20had%20been,how%20the%20universe%20will%20end.                                            How about that?

Another example of a hypothesis/theory, with no way to EXPERIMENT/MEASURE, what you're sure must be there, in some detectable way, or another.

                                               Just for fun:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-times-quantum-physics-blew-our-minds-in-2022/

                                            Happy listening!

 

 

 

"Unless there was something very wrong with your last power cord, or it was just a very poorly made one, you're not going to here any differences other than those that occur within your own mind via confirmation bias."

- prove it

Quick overview of my experience:

►Definite improvement from $10 stock cord to $100 level after market cord on every component. Usually heard in elimination of background ’noise’. or just improved power delivery

►Once a system is built that is close to one’s ideal (say a 7-8 out of 10), then power cords can make another medium/large step toward that ideal (to reach that 8.5-9 out of ten level). At times, I’ve noticed connectors can contribute significantly (almost as much as the cable) in some cords (think Furutech, Oyaide, etc.)

►Cable size, geometry, materials (copper, silver, carbon, air dialectric), and cryogenic or ’cooking’ treatment can definitely contribute to achieving that ’last mile or two’ of performance/preference.

► After starting with Bob Crump’s (TG Audio) cords over 25 years ago, I’ve probably tried 30-40 different power cords over the years, with mixed results. I’m currently using a large diameter silver power cord (Tek-Line) on an amp, smaller diameter diameter cord on transport (Acrolink 7N4020III w/Oyaide 004 connectors), and Argento Flow Master on DAC. Electraglide or other ribbon cord(s) on things tubed, especially preamp. YMMV.

►Like most of us, I have quite the collection of power cords, interconnects, speaker cables in the [big] boxes in the closet. And I must say, most I actually liked at the time; just moved on to 'better(?)' 😊

@dill - Shouldn’t you want to "prove it"? What experiment or test do you propose that will allow for a fair evaluation? There’s no "better", there’s just different. Beyond a certain level of build or materials quality, more money gets you nothing except that warm and cozy feeling of certainty that comes with confirmation bias. Take away the labels, do a blind test, and you will never be able to discern good, better, or best. To paraphrase Pete Townsend, "Is it in my head?". You bet it is.