Time For a CD Player Upgrade


I've been using a Rega Saturn Mk 2.  I recently upgraded my turntable to the Mark Levinson 5105 w/ the Ortofon Quintet Black S.  In comparison my CD's are sounding overly bright.   Any thoughts on a comparable upgrade to my CD listening?  My budget is about $4000-5000, new or used.  The Hegel Viking looks interesting.  Any recommendation for an upgrade will be appreciated. 

 

 

mellowshifi

@8th-note

“… I doubt that a new CD player will sound less bright than your Rega. CD players have a flat frequency response and from that standpoint they sound very similar to one another.…

MY TAKE: I strongly disagree with that over- generalization.

@giantsalami has already highlighted his experiences with valves (tubes) in his AYON unit with tubes .

The REGA ISIS VALVE cdp/DAC is another valve cdp option that sounds very different from a solid state spinner. Yes, I bought one too , and it is not anywhere near in audio performance nor presentation to any of the lower range REGAs I auditioned, nor any other solid state units OEM brands,

So here is a précis from the REGA website

” …. Rega’s now legendary head electronics engineer Terry Bateman spent 10 years researching the concept of a CD player using valves in the output amplifier. Valves have been widely used in musical instrument and recording amplification from the 1950s to the present day, therefore it made great sense to develop a valve based CD player to match that of the signal chain found in such applications….

Valve version of our reference Isis CDP

The valve Isis shares the same digital and USB sections as found in the solid-state version, however, the analogue stage is valve based with passive filtering. This stage uses two military specification triple mica 5814A (ECC82/12AU7) triodes being driven by the revolutionary Wolfson WM8741 ultra high performance digital to analogue converter….

Valves provide further tuning options
https://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/rega_valve_isis.htm


“ … There is a switch on the back of the Valve Isis that’s specific to this player and offers three filter settings. The first (F1) is a linear-phase half-band filter, which doesn’t introduce group-delay distortion but does create pre-ringing -- it’s the closest thing to the filter in the standard Isis. The second (F2) is a minimum-phase apodizing filter, which has approximately the opposite characteristics of the first filter. The third option (F3) is a linear-phase apodizing filter with no group delay and suppressed ringing.

The apodizing filter was specifically designed to minimize pre-ringing in low-sample-rate digital signals. Dr. Peter Craven, whose credits include the Ambisonic soundfield microphone and lossless data compression, invented it in co-development with Meridian. It combats the way that digital filters ring at half their sample rate, something that’s always going to be a problem for CD with its 44.1kHz rate. I have encountered this type of filter in two other players to date: the Copland CDA825 and Meridian’s own 808.3 -- players that sound so different from one another that it’s impossible to assess exactly how beneficial apodizing filters are. However, out of the three players assessed so far, two have been extremely good. So on balance apodizing helps.…”

More technical bits. Rega does something that to my knowledge is unique among CD-player makers: it builds three matched laser mechanisms for every Isis. One is installed in the player, and the other two are stored at the factory. Should the original mechanism develop a fault, the company will always be able to provide precisely the right replacement. That’s taking customer service to a new level.

TAKEAWAY :

option 1: If you choose an all in one unit then this cdp/dac is one option. :(note: it has a USB direct input into its high-end DAC to play digital files) Buying new at $13K plus taxes may hit a resistance based on price, but a pre-owned unit at a discounted price tag, may sooth the budget woes

option 2: Think high-end stand-alone DAC or streamer / DAC (with quality cables) and use your existing cdp as a transport . I also have a MOON 280D MiND2 player for hi-rez digital files playback.

I 2nd the accuphase and Burmester players, they are extremely accurate machines, spectral is very nice as well

I bought a Schiit Bifrost 2/64 and got the upgrade, then noted that I didn’t have anything that could utilize Schiits touted "Nexus" USB input. I then bought one of their URD transports and a proper cable and VOILA (I’ve never used that word in writing and had to ask my wife how to spell it). For close to 2 grand I’m getting a (Redbook only) seriously great sound out of that combo. Others should pay way more for something else (please) so I can continue to gloat over my purchase of these items. The URD should be serviceable for the foreseeable future and the Bifrost is upgradeable...so hey...gloat gloat...

mellowshifi

I concur with the above- your REGA player should not sound bright.  Something else is going on within your set-up. Plenty of excellent Player suggestions as well.

Keep me posted on which spinner you purchase.

 

Happy Listening!

UNQUESTIONABLY, there are four or five candidates in this price range that would be exceptional performers. But here's the thing. A CD player, as is the case with a turntable package, can be a reflection of personal listening capabilities and preferences. Different people hear differently. Making an absolute recommendation can be a quite random situation.

I don't know how you went about selecting your new turntable package. Truthfully, the same can apply to this music playback media. Your REGA player has always been considered one of the top picks in your price range, with a very accurate musical playback character. On the opposite side of the fence, I can only state that your choice of cartridges is not one of my favorites. I have owned two, and finally moved to what I feel is a pickup with greater "musical truth and accuracy". That being said, if you have any past experience at all, setting up a turntable arm/cartridge package on various turntable bases, can be technically difficult at best. I can only add that my experience with you pickup, as used with both a PRO-JECT and a TECHNICS turntable, left me with the feeling I have already stated. Compared to both of my CD player's reproduction character, I found the cartridge to be more two dimensional, leaving the sonic impression of a brighter character.

WELL, so much for that.  WHAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION - - - - - - - -??

Don't spend the kind of money you are suggesting on a CD player (EVEN AN ESOTERIC) without having done an extensive listening audition.!!  To me this piece of audio equipment is such a "subjective" choice, that to do otherwise, could be a financial disaster.

Unfortunately, having access to a "brick and mortar" audio studio can be most problematic for many people. I hope that is not the case for you.

Also, I do not recommend making this type of choice based upon attending audio shows. A TERRIBLE VENUE TO SHOWCASE AND MAKE BUYING DECISIONS (PERIOD.) 

One thing I am curious about; - - - - before the new TT and cartridge came into the picture, how did you feel about the sonic character of the REGA? Did it seem overly bright to you (reflecting a high frequency over accentuated reproduction curve?) The REGA should have a well-controlled, flat high frequency response.

The one variable I might mention, that obviously differs between the TT and the CD player could be the interconnect cables you are using in either case.. Also, something to look into might be phono preamp settings and character. Another possible culprit.

 

GOOD LUCK

AXPERT