NOS Tube Recommendation for Quicksilver Phono Pre Amp


I recently upgraded from the onboard phono stage in my Technics 1500SL to an all tube Quicksilver Phono Pre Amp. I’m about half way through the 30 hour recommended break-in period and so far, there is a lot to like about this piece of gear: Much thicker/more pronounced bottom end (I’ve had to readjust the gain on my subs quite a bit) and much wider/more defined sound stage. However, because I’m also running an all tube integrated amp (Raven Audio Osprey), there is now a very noticeable "warm" coloration to the music that wasn’t there before. I don’t want to give up on my new phono stage, but it’s like I’m listening to music with a wool blanket over my speakers. I’m thinking rolling the tubes to something a little cleaner/brighter could give me the best of all worlds. There are 3 tubes in the circuit topology: 2 12AX7s (one input, one gain) and 1 12AT7 (cathode follower). I’m currently considering a matched pair of Raytheon JRP black plate 12AX7s and either an RCA or Telefunken for the cathode follower (all NOS). Any and all suggestions/inputs are very much appreciated! P.S. my speakers are Raven Audio Corvus Reference Monitors and my current cart is the always amazing Nagaoka MP-500.

crawfishdaddi

@onhwy61...I hear you (you and @dekay are not wrong). I've played about 15-20 records on the new phono stage and I am committed to waiting at least the minimum 30 hours of recommended break-in time before making any changes. 

However, I am getting my ducks in row and trying to learn as much as I can in the event that this coloration issue doesn't go away on its own. I also struggle with the idea that I should just keep waiting for months on end hoping for it to improve (I think a lot of time, people just get used to how it sounds whether it actually improves or not). 

I listen to records 3-4 times a week for a couple hours at a time. At that rate, I feel like 2 months is enough time to know if it's time to roll the tubes. I know that's a little on the impatient side, but what can I say.... I'm obsessed smiley

@crawfishdaddi 

OK, now I see you have stated the result seems a bit too warm. So you want something with a bit more "zing". In that case, you should check out the following:

  • Mazda silver plate 12AX7 (expensive)
  • Telefunken ribbed plate 12AX7
  • (Russia) new Tung-Sol 12AX7

Electro Harmonix 12AX7 are fairly bright. I usually don't like them, but they can certainly counter warmth. Later Sylvania 5751 were also pretty bright, and I didn't like them - but who knows, here. 

RCA are weird - most are warm but some of them have been unbearably bright (and those tubes have been from Andy @ VTS with the cleaned pins; wonder if that's related).

If a phono stage has a strong "voicing" on its own, you are not going to fully counteract it with tube rolling. 

thanks @mulveling  -great stuff!
I've never actually seen the fabled Mazda silver plate 12AX7 for sale anywhere... I'm starting to think it's only a myth. 

Ok, I just talked to Mike at Quicksilver and here is what he said:

1. The 5751 can be substituted for the 12AX7, but ONLY in the input position. Using it in the gain position will cause the phono pre to not operate correctly. 

2. As I described my issue, he was a little surprised and said that it is an unusual problem to have when using the stock tubes. He went piece by piece through my system checking input/output resistances (all check out). He finally said, "what cables are you running from the turntable into the phono pre?" When I mentioned that I'm still waiting for my Morrow Audio phono cable to arrive, so I'm using a high quality spare RCA that I had lying around for my Reel to Reel across the room, he asked, "across the room? how long is that cable?" 17 ft. Convo stopped there. "oh! the problem is most likely that cable!"

I had no idea how sensitive the MP-500 (and most MM carts) are to cable capacitance. If this turns out to be the problem, I will feel more than a little sheepish. I'll report back, but many thanks for all the replies in any case (I ended up learning a ton about tubes)!

1. The 5751 can be substituted for the 12AX7, but ONLY in the input position. Using it in the gain position will cause the phono pre to not operate correctly.

By "not operate correctly" I am sure he means that the RIAA EQ will fall a bit outside of specified +/- error range. It will probably sound quite fine, for the most part, and at no risk of damage anywhere. But sure, it’s best to follow the manufacturer’s / designer’s recommendations here.