ATC active vs. passive


Recently had a chance to hear ATC SCM 40 and was very impressed with exceptional midrange, top end detail,  accuracy and near perfect timbre. 

Would like to get a bigger ATC but nowhere to audition in the Northeast. 

What can I expect from a bigger ATC SCM50 and up. 

Active vs. passive ? I have good amplification, Push pull 100W amp and SET 50w. 

 

ei001h

The OP needs to make an appointment to listen to whatever speakers he decides upon because he has very particular tastes about the flavour of what he hopes to hear.

By all means discuss and consider what others have to say, then leave home and listen, to anything really. Go to the nearest big city and make a trek from dealer to dealer. Tell them your budget and ask if they have anything they think you should hear. Listen. You might find something entirely different to what you envisaged which blows your mind. Or not. Get out and listen.

I have passive ATC SCM40 v.2 speakers in a 22 by 24 foot room, which replaced similar ATC SCM35 speakers. I replaced the speakers after 18 years of ownership primarily because the production of the tweeters was moved in house, and the treble became significantly smoother and less hard with poor recordings. Otherwise, they sound and behave similarly.

I initially ran the SCM 35’s using an Audio Research SP6B preamp driving a Conrad-Johnson MV75-A1. The C-J amp was not able to control the woofers well enough for my liking, and I brought a heavily rebuilt GAS Ampzilla out of retirement, which did a significantly better job of driving the speakers dynamically.

After replacing my preamp with a Cary SLP05 with ultimate upgrade and my Ampzilla with a new production SST Son of Ampzilla II amp, I upgraded my speakers. This combination drives this speaker really well and is what I would recommend. I have also driven the system with Schiit Freya+ and original Saga preamps, and would think amps like the Schiit Tyr or PS Audio BHK series would be great.

 

 have also heard the active ATC SCM40’s numerous times and to my ear they have a sense of tremendous dynamic control and really excellent imaging and sense of inner air and space, as Lone Mountain (the US distributor) suggests. I think my setup approaches the active ones, just a bit less effectively. I wholeheartedly recommend both setups, but definitely with solid state amplification and tube pre amplification.

There isn’t a single dealer in the northeast that has ATC SCM50 or higher.
I’ve auditioned most other brands ranging from 10-300k, none of them had the dynamics, timbre and accuracy of ATC except Avalon acoustics Saga. Those are the very best I’ve heard but the price is out of reach. 

I auditioned SCM40 active and passive. The active demo was controlled by ATC preamp. The passive was driven by North Moon 641/681 DAC ( this DAC was also the source for the active setup)

I preferred the passive setup; I ended up purchasing the passive SCM40 v2 to use with moon 761/791. Super happy. These speakers have taught me a lot regarding natural sound and high performance. I understand why there is so much praise for ATC.

 

@ei001h 1. is it possible to self modify Active into passive down the line if get tired of active and would like to try other amps ?  Is it possible to purchase passive crossover and swap them at home? 

NO this is not possible due to the calibration necessary to set individual driver loves to build cohesive anaphase linear system.  Theoretically you could purchase an ATC passive crossover (for the model you have). Installing it would not be something to do at home.  You'd have to remove most of the drivers to get inside the box. 

 

2. 150 is considerably wider baffle than 50. How does this affect the imaging and the ability to disappear. Logically, 150s should be much harder to disappear.  The wider baffle is of course to fit an 15 instead of a 9 inch woofer.   The waveguide on the midrange and tweeter do not allow the drivers to depend on the baffle for pattern control;  the dispersion pattern from these drivers is less than 180 degrees.   I have heard the 150s sound as good as 50s but with more low end due to the larger woofer.  Doug Sax, mastering engineer extraordinaire, (now passed) used 150s installed in a soffit to get the ideal, bass is now working into half space instead of full space. So no I don't think this baffle width is a major factor in comparing these two models (although I will ask engineering about it).  In 20_ years I have never had anyone note this or say they can hear this difference.  Rooms are such a major factor influencing imaging and the ability of the  speaker to disappear.  1st reflection problems can dramatically affect this aspect of speaker performance.