Issue with Krell KSA-250


Hello-

It's been a minute since I've been on the forums here, but I'm glad they are still around!

I am the second owner of a Krell KSA-250 amplifier. For the past 10 years it hasn't given me any problems. Then today, when I turned it on, it emitted a rather loud buzzing sound. This wasn't coming from the speakers (like a ground loop hum), this was a very startling almost "mechanical" buzz sound. The buzz does not stop until I turn the unit off.

I'm not sure where to start. I called my local audio repair store, but they don't work on Krell. They suggested I contact Krell, which is my next step, but seeing as I'd have to freight this for it to be repaired, I'm hoping someone here might shed some light on what's happening. I've made a short 15-second video of the issue, but I don't think I can upload it here. I'm happy to provide it though.

Any thoughts you might have would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Blake

blakeh

OP, very common issue with this series of amps. My buddy had the kinda rare KSA-250s and he had it repaired for the same issue like 3-4 times in a 10yr period. You could look at George Meyer but they may be backed up as well - https://www.georgemeyer-av.com/

Thanks for all the advice! I ended up taking it into Stereo Rehab in Chicago and the experience could not have been better! Casper obviously knows what he's talking about. Turns out it is a front relay. No problems with the caps or transformer. He took me through the whole unit, explained what was happening and gave me a reasonable estimate to fix it (cheaper than I thought it would be). Just an all around great experience. I should have it back in about four weeks.

Thanks,

Blake

@blakeh Good to see that You already have found the problem. I am late answering but I can give some info. I have several KSA 150 and KSA 250. What 9 times out of 10 goes wrong with them the is the sofstartcard that sits right behind the front cover. Someone mentioned the 700 Ohm resistors next to caps. That was almost right but it is not caps. Krell did a design flaw and placed two big 700 Ohm resistors on the softstartcard just besides the two Omron relays that have plastic covers. What happen is that the resistors get so hot that the plastic relaycovers melt and finally destroys the relays. You are lucky if it is the only problem Your amp has! It seems so because You have been wise enough not to start the amp again. If one forces the amp to start with faulty relays next (it is doable....)  what will happen is that the small trafo on the softstartcard will burn taking other components with it to. That is serious trouble! Those trafos are extremely hard ,if not impossible, to find. To avoid this problem in the future there is a modification I have made on all my KSA 150 and 250 amps (not S series) and it is to upgrade the two 700 Ohm resistors to Vishays with aluminium covers with small cooling fins and mount them on the back of the thick frontplate. You only have to drill two small holes gor each resistor and four small screws to attach them. DO NOT DRILL TO DEEP so You drill through the fronplate. The resistors are available at Mouser. They are quite expensive but is is small, well invested money in Your wonderful amp and You will never have the problem with overhetd softstartcard again! I have had no problems with my 7 modified KSA 150 and 250 since I made the mod. Tell Your tech to do it for You while the amp is disassembled. Good luck!

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@jea48 Hi! It looks that You have found exactly the right places to guide KSA 150, MDA 300, KSA 250 and MDA 500 owners in restoring those beautiful amps!

I started by watching Mike at Liquid Audio restoring a KSA 150 which was my first Krell poweramp and it of course blowed the softstartboard after two weeks. Sounded just like the OPs KSA 250 before dying. I am also very lucky to have a friend who is a highly skilled, but now retired, Krell tech. He was head of Krells service, repair and spareparts department in Europe and worked his way up from tech to head of the department. He for sure knows Krells!! He have taught me how to disassemle, reassemble, searching for faults, Krells design flaws better substitutes when changing parts etc, etc, etc. His nickname is "The Krell Doc" in Sweden. A very good friend who has access to all the schematics, of course. I do highly respect him for, not even to me, give copies of those. He is loyal and a man of honour.

I do agree 100% with You that Krell would benefit a lot and we owners even more if they made the schematics public and easy to acess. There is no "tradesecrets" to protect in those schematics. For what I know Krell actually give copies to repair techs which they think can do the work correct. Theu do not give them to private persons only to tech companies who are skilled enough.

One must be aware of, and this is very important, that Krell has so many revisions of both PCBs and values of cf components that they hardly even now for themselves what schematic is for which unit. They must have the unit in front of them to tell. I have seven KSA 150 and two KSA 250 (and a lot more Krell poweramps including the monoversions of KSA called MDA) One thing 150 and 250 (and the MDAs) have in common is the softstarboard and its problems. If I look at my seven KSA 150 I have four different versions of softstartboard and not one single board of all seven has the correct colourcoding printed on them!!! You need to take a lot of photos and as I do, document every single step with pen and paper. Also, just work on one amp at a time!!! The KSA serie are easy to work with (if You now how to do of course) because the way they are built in modules. really high quality parts and not a single unnecessary cable. Instead brass bars are used! Fantastic! 

Under the busboard the 4 big caps are situated. I have change mines (probably not necessary) to Kemets. One really important thing is to discharge the old caps before starting to work on the unit in any way. Even after 3-4 weeks the caps holds lethal amount of power inside them. I discharge them with a big ceramic resistor holding the resistor with leather gloves (heat hurts and give You nasty blisters I have learnt that the stupid way...)

So document, document and take photos. Do the softstartboard modification, change caps and effect resistors and, if You want to do it really well, transistors, (begins to be really hard to find Krell marked Motorolas and there are a lot of fakes on eBay etc.) I even have changed the Neutrik XLR contacts, rubber feets under megasized trafos (necessary because they get dry and loose) and speakerterminals etc. Not a fast job. I have sestored approx 12-13 Krell poweramps and 6-8 Krell preamps during a period of 9-10 years.

I will try to send three photos of one of my KSA 250 currently in use in my small homeoffice room. Hopefully You can see the Vishay-Dale 700 Ohm resistors mounted on front plate, the Kemet caps under busboard and the busboard how it is supposed to look when everything is OK and not overheats.

EDIT: I realise that I can not attach photos. I have to learn how to do it first. But my mod is nearly exactly done as at in one of Your links. That guy have even used exactly the same resistors, aluminium shielded Vishay-Dale military grade and seems to have used the same big Kemet "beercan" caps.