Where are Pioneer, Sansui, Kenwood, TEAC, Nakamichi, Onkyo, Technics, JVC, Sony, all once significant in the mass market now become either niche producers or moved out of home audio entirely. Audio just isn't the same market as in decades past. Streaming, WiFi casting (Sonos and the others), personal audio, TV/video integrations, gaming are the spaces getting the disposable dollars. Some new interest is going to come by way of people coming to the hobby from the Chi-fi entry level products (a good development, IMO) some will come in from HT looking for better quality. It won't be the waves as from the 70s with high quality solid state  market coming from Japan making HiFi affordable compared to the previous generation of costly lower-production tube gear.

Comparing my generation growing up in the late 60’s -the mid 80’s to my grandkids generation is all you have to look at. In our day, music was king. Getting together with friends was king and you used music as a necessity. Good Lord, we revolved around music and music systems. On every Wednesday, Friday and Saturday night... every bar in town had incredible live music @ packed clubs. Shipped bands in from multiple States. After the bars closed these home systems was used for groups of music lovers. Sometimes well into the mornings! Why would current kids want a nice system? They don’t do "groups". Most are semi loners. At least comparing to the peace, love and rock and roll that we grew up with. On any given weekend my apartment would have several unknown to me rockers showing up to hear my kick ass system. And this was common. Back then, ALL the youngsters strived to have the best system in town. That just don’t happen anymore. Instead, they do earbuds and play with their phones.

3 words come to mind here:

SHORT TERM GREED

(These comments are aimed at the mainstream "consumer goods" manufacturers. Not the high end and/or niche product manufacturers)

Been ordering and stacking/unstacking boxes in an out of a warehouse for 4+ decades. And, occassionally installing finished goods in customers homes.

The grown ups in the room are putting long-term strategies in place. The opportunists can’t see past the current P&L and balance sheet. I once asked a manufacturer why (the hell) they are putting their products out on the Internet? Response: "We can’t afford to lose the face time. Our competitors are out there so we have to be visual, too." Probably the dumbest answer I’ve even heard. Years ago, upon learning that a very prominent speaker manufacturer had just made the decision to go into Big Box, I called my rep who was enroute to my location and told him to turn his car around and head back home. I also told him that this was a strategy for a company that wants to be sold, not a long term plan. I was correct. And, a less than a year later he was fired and replaced with a "more efficient" (cheaper) way to "service" accounts.. (Didn’t end well for himl).

The industry converted respected hifi consultants who caressed their customers, educated them, and were good stewards of their customer’s money, into brokers, forced to compete with far more leveraged entities when model# and price became king. The "illusion of low price" of Big Box and bypassing sales tax (Internet sales) squashed the little guys. The loss of self esteem on the sales floor was a real issue. Clever marketing blurred the image between "specialty retailing" and mass distribution. As one TV ad once stated: "Our online store offers EXACTLY the same experience as an expensive dealer showroom." Overdistribution killed the "hifi culture" for specialty retailers who could no longer differentiate themselves from Big Box to attract first time, or price-conscious buyers. Our "budget systems" could beat up THEIR budget systems. The customer migrated to the "low cost solution" assuming they were getting the best bang for the buck, and never found out.

I refer to these Big Box and online sales as a "dead cycle". One (or, maybe two) and done. Specialty retail had the integrity to challenge what the consumer was looking for, often taking less money than what the customer was prepared to spend. But, also showed them what was possible with "better goods" and planted a seed for the next purchase. "You’re going to love those new speakers. If you want to try an outboard phono stage sometime, just let me know." Big Box and online doesn’t do this well. Or at all. Enthusiasm trickles down, and so does repeat business, upgrades, add ons, forming meaningful relationships, and cash. After all, "specialty stores" are just over-priced electronics stores with exactly the same stuff as Big Box -- just more expensive.

I remember in the "good ol’ days" that we’d run ads for salespeople and about 40 would show up. It was really cool to work at a hifi store. When hired, these guys/gals would show up on Day One with their own demo material (vinyl, cassettes, or CDs) and have a mature audio vocabulary already intact. You basically took them thru the product line up, showed them how to write a ticket and where the warehouse was. Things have changed. The industry did this to itself. Attempting to prop up an industry (or manfacturer)  that is shooting itself in the foot is neither fun, or profitable.

I want to end with a statement that we had vendors who were fearlessly loyal to us and the specialty audio industry as a whole. And, still keeping the faith. Their commitments are still very much appreciated.

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Hey all. New to Agon. This is only my experience of course. Having kids in there late 20’s now, I’ve witnessed over the years that they value experiences together over sitting at homes and toeing in to the sweet spot as I have all weekend :) This to mean they love to go see live music together. Big concerts and small - artists they like - festivals with lots of line ups. That costs major these days. Willing to spend big for tickets and food and hanging together. I cannot count the times I filled the car with 13 year olds needing a ride to go to a show. My son is 28 now, in business school ($$$), and still his absolute favorite thing to do is blow off steam at a show with his peer group. What does he listen to at his place? Bluetooth to active mass market speakers and it sounds not half bad. If I asked him point blank you want a 5000 system for graduation he would be nice about it and say, “No offense Pops, how about 2 tickets to Coachella and a hotel room.” Makes sense to me. I have also seen this with young folks who have worked for/with me over years of late. To be honest, I am glad they are connected through music this way if they had to make a choice. For me it was the opposite. When I got my first kit (Nikko receiver, mass Technics table, and Polks) after saving forever as a teen, I listened to the Who with my stoned pals. Bliss. Wish I had seen the Talking Heads in 77 live though.