Rumble - turntable or background noise DG LP


Context: Not really audiophile guy. Set up: AXR 100, Debut Carbon w/Ortofon Blue, KEF LS 50, BW ASW 8 Sub. I am a subscriber to LA Phil so I know what things should sound like. 

I notice a fair amount of what I would call background noise and sub flutter or pulsing when I play Dvorak New World - Berliner/Kubelik and Beethoven 6 Wiener/Bohm. Both are new DG and "remastered". The sound otherwise is very good but the background noise is annoying. When I play C Botti Vol 1 on Blue Note, or one of the 45 RPM  like Brubek or D. Krall they are really quiet. You have to want to find the noise. I have double checked the stylus for proper set up. 1.8 on the nose by measurement. Any idea on why the DG's would be so much worse? I have compared the DG vinyl with the same DG CD's and well, for reasons the defy explanation, I like the sound of the vinyl much better except for the background noise.

Thanks

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The main bearings in low priced turntables often require compromise to meet a price point as well as everything else about them.  What you might interpret as groove roar is actually rumble from the poorly machined bearings.  As you go up the price ladder manufacture's pay more attention to these things and you will find that the noise floor in higher priced decks drop to imperceptible levels which at comfortable volume levels rivals that of digital formats.  Say if you suddenly jump from a Rega Planar 3 to a Planar 8 the difference is dramatic!  

According to OP the rumble is present playing this particular album, no issues with other albums. Why is it supposed to be the turntable problem?  "groove roar is actually rumble from the poorly machined bearings" manifest itself only on one DG recording?! Interesting.

@knock1 the symptoms can still vary from record to record and is much less prevalent with precision main bearings. 

@mulveling makes some very important points which brings to mind the location of the sub and the KEFs in relation to the turntable and another thought about the tonearm set up and whether or not the op verified the tracking weight, excessive VTF could also be a factor.  Inexpensive phono stages as others have mentioned can be all or nothing but usually are deliberately rolled off starting at like a 100Hz or so at a few decibels per octave to protect the amplifier and the speakers its connected to just in this type of situation.  One of these or other factors must have been overlooked to experience "sub flutter or pulsing" as the op states which is being amplified by the subs internal amp.

Again,  "groove roar is actually rumble from the poorly machined bearings" would be heard on ALL albums played on this turntable. Is it that complicated?