Question for Atma-sphere, will expensive power cables improve your amplifiers?


The reason I am asking is I feel manufacturers of high quality components include all that is ever needed, power cable wise. Sure, some people buy power cables because they need special lengths or have some out of the ordinary "noise" issues that need extra insulation. Some even like the visual aspect of the aftermarket cables. I’m just curious why many spend thousands of dollars on such when the manufacturer has taken the power cable into account when producing the product. I cannot see a High-quality audiophile component maker (especially some that sell volume) pass on a few dollars for a better sounding power cable if indeed the cable improved their product. I cannot see a person buying that $7000 amp is not going to balk if the product was introduced at  $7100 (with the better cable). 

I wonder if Luxman, Accuphase, McIntosh, Gryphon...you name it "dressed" their power cables up to look like expensive aftermarket cables, owners would be so quick to "upgrade"?

I’d be curious to hear Ralph’s opinion on the subject

aberyclark

@devinplombier in truth, very very few manufacturers would bother getting into discussions such as this, which is a sad thing. My questions for Ralph may be putting him on the spot unintentionally, but it is so that I, and possibly others, may have another data point to learn from in making relationships with other posts that either involve Ralph or not. I suspect that so many posts in audigon are made to fault find or finger point, that defences and policing immediately spring to action if so much of a hint of curiosity is raised - this is all so silly.

ive found it is only when we are each called to task and have to unequivocally state what we think or believe, that true communication is achieved. It is not to shame or disqualify, that directness of communication exists, but for the reason of learning, which I also believe to be a primary reason for audiogon’s existence.

in friendship - kevin

@kevn 

I respect - and share, mind you - your desire to learn more about cables, and more specifically which of their properties benefit sound quality and which do not.

I also think you're asking a person you should not be asking. The subject is fraught, I'm sure you'll agree. Now, imagine for a moment that you make your living manufacturing high-end audio components. Your entire customer pool is a few hundred people and shrinking. If you start opining on controversial, divisive subjects that your customers care deeply about, you know that someone is going to take umbrage, and possibly start sharing their displeasure with like-minded folks on social media.

Knowing that, would you feel compelled to state your beliefs anyway? And if you did, do you think it would help or harm your business?

ive found it is only when we are each called to task and have to unequivocally state what we think or believe, that true communication is achieved.

Around here, that's called bullying, and it is considered abuse. Just sayin smiley

 

@aberyclark "I cannot see a High-quality audiophile component maker (especially some that sell volume) pass on a few dollars for a better sounding power cable if indeed the cable improved their product. I cannot see a person buying that $7000 amp is not going to balk if the product was introduced at  $7100 (with the better cable)."

Rega does and it's available as aftermarket as well for anyone who'd wish to try one. 

@devinplombier ‘Around here, that's called bullying, and it is considered abuse. Just sayin smiley’ - and how well that sums up the state of the union, in relation to a simple search for directness and truth. Thank you for the measured way you have responded, in any case : )

@atmasphere - Ralph, if indeed your typical directness and straight-shooting still stands in this particular instance, I would still very much appreciate your response - thank you! 

In friendship - kevin

@kevn It’s the way you supposedly “ask a question” that’s the problem here. You pose suppositions about what @atmasphere is saying that he’s neither said nor implied in any way — you just make them up in your own mind — and then after incorrectly attributing them to him you then ask him to defend those positions that he never had in the first place. That’s just an absurd and accusatory way to supposedly “ask a question” and probably why @devinplombier took it as bullying. It’s a ridiculous tactic, and in doing it this way you come across as a complete troll just wasting Ralph’s valuable time (and ours). And just saying it’s “in friendship” doesn’t repair the damage or paper over anything as it’s patently obvious what you’re doing here. Better to just come out and ask him what he thinks makes a difference in power cables rather than accusing him of things he never said in somehow trying to elicit the same information. That’s just unnecessary and poor form, and frankly you owe Ralph an apology for all the things you’ve inappropriately and falsely attributed to him.