Clearaudio Innovation [Wood] vs Master Innovation

I am not directing info at any Gon member as a personal directive, I am making it known in general how an alternative, with an affordable cost, and quite easy resale, can be considered as a Upgrade Kit. The Opening Post in the Thread clearly refers to one Models Upgrade Kit Option.

My info is much broader than being limited to One Model Only, all Models will benefit if given a Treatment that resembles the suggestion being made.

I have shared similar info with a Clearaudio TT owner in thenot too distant past, to whom I was happy to have them redirected as a gift, a Permali Board, that was being gifted to myself.  

As stated there is an option to use up to 8 x Tiers of Panzerholz on offer from Clearaudio on certain Models in their range. This strongly suggests Clearaudio are promoting the use of increase Tiers of a Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board, as the means to attain a betterment.

I am suggesting that if a Clearaudio TT owner is expressing an interest in adding additional Tiers to a TT, in keeping with how models are seen to be an upgrade TT offered from Clearaudio.

There is an option that is very cost effective for the TT owner wanting to add Tiers, which is to source and to adopt the use of a Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board as additional Tiers with their TT.

If Panzerholz was the selected Board Material to add Tiers, then this would be quite close to what the Clearaudio design will be and will give a very very similar effect on the owned TT as a design. 

Being Investigative with Footers/Separators will allow for furthering what can be a positive to be achieved.  

@pindac It seems you’re assuming the upgrade from an Innovation to a Master Innovation is just about adding two more plinths. That’s part of it, but not what the upgrade really brings to the table. The significant part of it is the use of two platter systems, where the playback platter (i.e. the one for the vinyl record) is magnetically decoupled from the drive platter system (i.e. the one that is driven by the motor and belt). Have a look at the product page for the Master Innovation so you can learn to appreciate that the upgrade from Innovation to Master Innovation isn’t just about adding more plinths. It’s much more.

 https://www.clearaudio.de/en/products/turntables-innovation_master.php

I am aware of the Clearaudio turnable rack that adds four more plinths to the system. I’ve seen very few instances of it in use. It’s also very expensive and not suitable for my installation, so that’s not under consideration anyway.

In any case, it’s moot as far as I’m concerned. I’ve already ordered the Master Innovation and not really interested in an alternative upgrade to my Innovation. Maybe someone else is, but I’ve never heard of anyone using what you suggest. Do you have any testimonials? Thank you for the information in any case.

Have you compared a Master Innovation to an Innovation with your alternative upgrade? I’m skeptical it will be similar, if it lacks the extra magnetically decoupled platter system.

In summary, an Innovation with two more plinths does not equal a Master Innovation.

As Stated by myself  " My info is much broader than being limited to One Model Only, all Models will benefit if given a Treatment that resembles the suggestion being made. "

Panzerholz with a Damping / Dissipation Factor 0.4 as a Test Size Material and 0.7 as a Plinth Dimension Material is exceptional as material to manage Amplitude.

There is absolutely no need for Steel Balls with a extremely Poor Damping / Dissipation Factor 0.008, embedded into Panzerholz to improve on the P'holz. If one wants to attenuate a Board to generate a particular type of sonic voicing, It is not my business to suggest that voicing a material should not be part of a design. 

No Assumptions at my end, and not one word directed solely at any Model Owners posting in this thread. 

It is seemingly a common reaction witnessed, when one is Investing Substantial Sums of Money, any ideas that suggest the outlay is not absolutely necessary will be met with a strong defence. Have a look at the Bedroc Thread to see some of that in place

I really don't care how much a person spends on anything, it is their monies not mine.

I don't encourage anybody to not spend how they want to, they can aspire to what they like.

Others do like to know where alternate options are able to be found and if there is a cost saving that can be made, this is the human condition.

The Taiko Daiza Sub Plinth will be ideal for the role I have suggested.

I have shown on many an occasion how a Taiko Daiza Sub Plinth can be achieved in an almost like for loke dimension for a tenth of the cost using the exact same material that gives equivalent performance, and will resell with ease if not wanted to be maintained in use.

@pindac

I'm going to step away from this debate about it. I'm not trying to save money, and what you are trying to sell isn't what I am upgrading anyway.

I am not a sales person, I have no wares as a stock to offer for sale.

I am not in a Two Way Dialogue on this subject, I am stating that other options are available. 

I am only suggesting to a broad community, additional Tiers of Panzerholz, are not necessarily needing to be acquired through Clearaudio or needing to be a like for like match for their design to get results that will be as good.

There is not only one Clearaudio TT Owner, there are plenty an many of these will own TT's not utilising Panzerholz. 

Branded TT's are not uncommon to have a alternate options made available outside of the Brands offering. Where a Part Offered is intended to create changes to a particular TT Models performance that are recognised for being a betterment. Usually alternate offerings are to be met with a lower cost than what the Brand for the TT is asking.