Focal Kanta 2 and CODA 16 amp


Hello All,
My audio system was sounding really good but I felt the need to go further and recently upgraded a McIntosh MC152 amp to a Coda 16. What was missing? A certain bit of clarity, the ability to place instruments in the soundstage, and an amp that is consistent in quality with the rest of my equipment.

McIntosh is one of the amplifiers that pairs well with my Focal Kanta 2s. I thought about a more powerful McIntosh but didn’t go there, heard a Luxman M900u in a dealer’s showroom that was OK, but a demo of the Coda turned my head. The Coda is an eye-opener in the clarity and power it brings to the system, but it has thrown the balance off. I am now struggling to overcome some brightness with certain music (not all), a slight edge that I had previously managed to defeat by changing cables, rolling tubes in my preamp and adding the Mac.

My listening space is not ideal and can use acoustic treatment to tame the highs, but things sounded pretty good before. The focus and bulk of time (say 85%) is with home theatre, but when I play two channel, I want it to be high quality. An obvious path is to correct my mistake, sell the Coda and look elsewhere.  Another alternative is to keep this excellent amp and get a different (warmer?) preamp to better match the Coda (must have HT bypass and XLR connections), or perhaps something like a MiniDSP with Dirac to tweak the sound. I'm even contemplating warmer speakers to replace the Kantas, but that means three speakers (L/C/R) for home theatre.

I appreciate any words of wisdom or solace from Kanta and/or Coda owners on a strategy to manage this issue. Thanks,
Robert

traubr

I second the notion of running internet directly into the Meitner and then the Meitner directly into the Coda.  You might be surprised how much cleaner, smoother and more detailed your system sounds.  If you can't run it this way full time, it could give you a benchmark.  I also second the notion of experimenting with speaker placement.  Your system is excellent and has tremendous potential, but the little things will make all the difference such as speaker placement, clean power, and room treatment. Tuning your room is vital to a system the quality of yours. You may also want to experiment with using pillows, blankets, and other similar household items to see if they make a difference.  If they do, you could develop a more permanent room treatment option.  Finally, you could consider trying some other speaker cables, like some Clears, if you can try some with a return option.   If none of these ideas work, maybe then consider changing speakers.

I have the Coda 16 and I have it paired with Legacy Audio Signature SE speakers. The preamps I have use were the Coda 07x and currently the Don Sachs-Lynn Olsen Spatial Audio preamp. I have a Holo May KTE Dac  and Aurender N20 streamer. The Coda has never been what I would call bright in my system but it did smooth out a lot over time. Not sure how many hours you have but I would give it 200 to 300 anyway. My room is also well treated. I know the Focals high end is pretty revealing. Anyway if you consider changing speakers you might look at the Legacy. Before you do be sure you give the 16 plenty of hours. 

I appreciate the feedback and suggestions from everyone.  It's discouraging to upgrade (e.g., spend good $$$) then find the "solution" presented new issues to overcome.  Oh well.  In hindsight it would appear the McIntosh masked some problems in my system and room.  The Coda, OTOH, is bringing a great deal more to the table but is causing me to now address some of the problems to make my ears happy.

Back when I started upgrading my home theatre to play quality audio, I was encouraged by the Agon community to use a preamp, rather than my HT processor, to squeeze the best sound from the system. I took a few tentative steps then went for my Backert.  I am happy with it, as it adds a presence, smoothness and pizzazz that was absent before.  Tubes mold the sound and it’s great to have ability to change a tube and alter the sound.  In addition to a new tube that is en route, removing the preamp from the chain altogether by using the preamp section of my DAC has been added to the (growing) list of things to try.  The thought of bypassing a major investment really hurts, but is worthy of experimentation. 

My room is a shared space (my wife’s daytime office).  There is too much furniture in the wrong places limiting placement of speakers, 3 windows, 2 doors, it's slightly L shaped, large framed posters on the walls, listening position slightly off center… hardly ideal.  I reached out to one of the acoustic panel companies, sent them pics, await their feedback and recommendations on room treatments.  In the meantime, I placed a heavy throw over the TV between the speakers, which helped focus sound a bit; balanced a poster with a towel draped over it on the back of the chair near the first reflection point on one side, and suspended a heavy towel from the curtain rod over the window on the other side.  Those trials made a marginal positive difference.  More trial and error, outside guidance and proper room treatments will no doubt help.

I’ve tried various combinations of cables.  Had a loom of Audience Front Row IC’s, speaker cables, USB and ethernet.  The IC’s in combo were too much of a good thing, sold them.  I tried various other speaker cables and the Front Rows, to my surprise, have risen above the others for all around good sound: not too much on the top, solid mids and plenty of oomph in the bass.  Surprising from such a skinny cable.  I have Cardas Cygnus for my home theatre connections and they are good.  Tried Reflection IC’s and they were OK, but not keepers.  The Reflection speaker cable ran a poor second to the Audience, a real disappointment.  Bumped up to the Clear IC’s and they have been good in the mix.  Acoustic Zen IC's are a recent addition and they helped tame some edge.  There is no shortage of cables and manufacturers, but it requires patience to wade through them, a trait that often eludes me.  Plus, my music memory stinks, so A-B trials, especially with time in between, is a lesson in frustration.

Focal’s documentation states it best to aim the speakers towards the listener as part of an equilateral triangle.  I’ve aimed high and low, straight to the back wall, toed out and toed in, and there are subtle changes.  Currently I am slightly toed in, but it’s easy enough to play with that again.  Unfortunately, I’m wearing off the polish on the hardwood floor below them with the changes, but such is life in the fast audio lane.

Per a suggestion above, I swapped XLR for RCA cables from preamp to amp and there was a surprising (and welcome) improvement.  Thanks @audphile1 !  I managed to get hold of Mr. Coda and he said the XLR connection adds 3db of gain.  My preamp also adds gain, so having less of it calmed things considerably.  After a conversation with Backert, I will likely send them my preamp to have the gain dialed back, to provide more gradations, or steps, in volume adjustment.  The Coda provides quite a wallop, more than I experienced with any amp before it, and the ability to have finer control of the volume will be a big asset.

Lots to do, lots to try.  Thanks again for the support.

Robert

Yep I expected things to sound better using RCAs. It’s not uncommon believe it or not. One other suggestion before you send Backert out…back the volume on the Meitner down 3 to 97. See if it smoothes things out with xlr cables all around. If you still prefer single ended into coda just keep that configuration. No need to mod the backert. You may prefer single ended into coda even after backert gain reduction. Don’t waste your money. Trust your ears. 
As to FrontRow cables…didn’t like the XLRs, didn’t like the USB. Love the speaker cables! They’re really hard to beat. 
 

Waiting for you to try Meitner direct into amp. I’m pretty sure you will be surprised 

@backdoor , the Coda is previously owned (used), so I presume it has its internal kinks worked out.  I suspect it's seen 200 hours in my space, so perhaps it needs more time acclimatizing and adjusting to my part of the world.  Given its loyal following and good reviews, I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt and wait.

My first speaker rodeo after 20 yrs with my original HT setup was with Focal Aria 926, which I really like.  When I thought about upgrades, I emailed with someone who had the 936, a bigger and purportedly much better version of mine.  He was selling the 936s, had moved to the Legacy and never looked back.  If I find the speakers are the culprit here, or get the itch to do something silly and move on, the Legacy and Sonus Fabers are on the list to investigate.  Thanks.