Success Rolling Opamps in EE Minimax DAC


I'll try to reign in my nearly unbridled enthusiasm for a recent uber-economical tweak, rolling Opamps in the Eastern Electric Minimax DAC.

On encouragement of Chris and Melissa Owens from Clarity Cable I swapped them out (note; this voids the warranty!), with resounding success. A more powerful upgrade per dollar in decades of messing with systems and tweaks does not come to mind.

My brief instructional discussion on this experience appears at Dagogo.com

http://dagogo.com/View-Article.asp?hArticle=841
douglas_schroeder
Makes me wonder how much the parts cost on a $1000 DAC. I know there is the expensive casework, labor and overhead and a necessary profit.
Also it does make you think that if better op amps are $8 why don't they use them in the first place? How much is the difference between the worlds highest regarded DAC chip is VS the ones in most DACs?
Cheap amps like NE5532 (in my Benchmark DAC1) are so much worse than current best amps like LM4562 or OPA1612 but only if you include DC spects. For AC NE5532 is simply amazing in spite of its age.
Njs, the change in sound is fundamental, sweeping, an improvement in every parameter you wish to judge it, imo. When I first put them in and fired up the system I was expecting a marginal change. The difference was SO radical that in the first few seconds the disconnect between what I expected and heard had me thinking, "There's something wrong!" But after a few more seconds I became aware that my expectations had been dramatically surpassed, and realized that the performance parameters had been improved beyond my expectations. I have been highly motivated to have long listening sessions with this change, and have found no area which I would consider the difference to be worse than the original Opamp.

I am sure there will be some systems where this Opamp change will not be to the liking of the owner. I believe that will be rare since the improvements are to my ear across the board.

Mechans, I'm sure there are dozens to hundreds of variables involved in making such a design as a DAC or amp. A designer, and even a design team, has limited intellectual resources. They make a model of what sounds good, finalize it and sell it. The community has forever and vastly more resources to futz with the unit afterwards. I would not discount the work of designers because of those realities.

One can always determine at what quality level they feel the work of a designer/manufacturer is worth spending the money on. This experience opens my eyes to the fact that if Opamps were not soldered into most components likely a great number of them could be improved similarly. You and I both know there's a whole lot more going on that an $8 switch in a component. I recall buying the upsampler board for the Ah! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 and installing it. However, I believe the Opamp rolling of the EE DAC yields a proportionately larger change in sound. What was really shocking to me was the influence of the Opamps on the performance. That in no way discounts or diminishes the rest of the design. But it certainly does make me wonder if a different component might be a lot better if it had socketed Opamps to experiment!

Kijanki, "Amazing" is certainly a word that comes to mind in thinking about the influence of Opamps. I simply had no clue how sweeping their influence could be.

An aside regarding the tendency of people to dump more expensive upgrades for cheaper ones:
I'm certain people will be effusive in praise for the upgraded Maggie 3.7, the Kingsound King III (and many other marvelous new designs appearing at CES/T.H.E. Show), which I'm sure are lovely improvements over the previous designs. Here is a change which yields a profound difference for under $20. The great joy is that it's cheap, potent and marvelous sounding, imo - one of the most impressive tweaks I have ever experienced. But I'm not saying that it's a means of avoiding other upgrades in the system. It's economical thinking to say, "I'll do the Opamp thing instead of the speaker upgrade..." But that's not the way to build one's best system, nor to obtain the best listening experience. To obtain optimum results I would do efficacious tweaks as well as major upgrades.

I have found that one must pursue changes to every element of the system and thriftiness will ultimately not be paramount in every decision to upgrade if one's goal is building the ultimate system to one's taste. Even the most proportionately economical products rise in price substantially when they are an assault on the best sound attainable. In my experience at some point serious dollars (in the tens of thousands) must be spent to obtain a system that has any chance of being in the realm of SOTA. So, a person can do this tweak and call it quits, but I'm not saying here that it will nullify the need to pursue other changes/upgrades.
Mechans,

If SOTA means chips like the ESS Technology 9018, I believe the DAC chip alone is over $50 if you buy in quantity. For instance: The ESS Technology ( I believe the number is 9003 Dac chip) is about $5 in comparison.

We tried to bring the best and many pro audio components use the op-amps we chose in the DAC as it is very reliable and sounds great.I've had other customers use other op-amps in the MiniMax DAC and a couple reported feedback that we chose wisely, as other op-amps they tried might have improved in one area but degraded sound quality in other areas.
I believe Chris from Clarity Cables had great success and recommended to Doug to try the op-amps that Doug used with similar great sonic results across the board.
I haven't tried the op-amps yet but will order some shortly for sure because I trust Doug's ears.
Douglas_schroeder, Audio was ignored for a long time in op-amp design NE5532 being the first designed specifically for the audio. I'd like to try the newest OPA1612 that according to technology progress supposed to be light years ahead but I already read post claiming that in comparison its sound is too sweet and too laid back. My Benchmark DAC1 opamps are SMT but it is OK - I can replace them quickly but Benchmark's 5 years warranty speaks against it.