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I just read this morning that the Phasure NOS 1 has a very similar architecture to the Trinity DAC. Quote from ACG at Whatsbestforum below:

"The Phasure NOS1 USB dac seems to use much of the same tech as the Trinity. Eight x PCM1704 and completely filterless (analogue or digital) running femto clocks. The Phasure relies on the computer software to upsample to 705 or 768 and to apply a special Arc prediction filter that eliminates pre and post ringing (called impulse response in the Trinity manual) which takes all of this processing out of the dac which improves dac clock behaviour.

When I read the description of the sound of the Trinity dac I thought that it was exactly how most of us Phasure owners would describe the sound of our dac: that it has no sound of its own. I am quite sure that the designer of the Phasure does not pick the cream from his crop of PCM1704s Like for the Trinity) and it's unusual shape and presentation do manage to keep costs down so it is a fraction of the price of the Trinity, but I sure would love to hear them both side by side one day."

In my opinion, the "best DAC" would be the one that works in Pure DSD mode (that means converts PCM to DSD as well), and does not use D/A conversion chips which send/upsample DSD through Delta/Sigma modulators.
Lastly, there shouldn't be any solid state components on the signal path, after the DSD D/A conversion (usually an FIR filter).
Now, that is really hard to find. :-)

The Lampizator DSD dac has some of those design elements in place according to Lucas and his disciples. Bruce Bowen has done a shootout recently with the 15K PD dac and it compared favorably.

The Phasure eats it alive using PCM. Its closer via DSD but the Phasure is still clearly better.

Prior to the Phasure the best sound I had heard was DSD using the Playback.

Bhobba, which PD dac was demoed? The 3 or the 5? According to everyone in the know, PCM is not its strong suite, so any comparison is strawmanish especially if you have no equivalent digital transport and software upstream. This seems to be one area where Peter and the Phasure dac seems to excel and pull ahead of the pack.

I heard from someone that the Trinity Dac has the typical cold brighter German sound.

That is not what I have read about it so far (http://cybwiz.blogspot.com/2013/03/trinity-dac.html; http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?12023-Trinity-DAC). It sounds like a pretty serious piece of gear. While I agree that cost does not ALWAYS track with performance, the Audioexotics crowd are almost insufferable in their testing and regularly have access to the best in rooms and systems that are SOTA. Not the typical cheezeball like myself in the US dispensing wisdom from my vintage recliner in a musty basement. Its all about exposure and frame of reference.

The Trinity has multiple proprietary elements (with associated patents) and a designer with a serious pedigree. It also has some architectural similarities to the Phasure in terms of stacked 1704s, so I would be surprised by any reports of being cool sounding. Its price is too rich for my blood but if you are the type of guy who has an unlimited budget, why not? More power to them.

I know there was a shootout scheduled between the Trinity dac and the Lampizator L7 in Hong Kong on the 22nd but I have not heard anything yet. There is also one planned between the Phasure and Lampi L4 or possibly L7 in Atlanta sometime in Jan. Still awaiting a formal commitment from the southern fried Phasure devote.

There is obviously a lot of good dac data coming down the pike. Should be fun. Just have to try and leave the audio egos at the door.....

Hi Agear,

Thanks for taking the time to share all of that...fascinating to read. If you do hear how those shootouts went in Asia, please post!!! There is a whole new generation of digital that is coming out which (imho) started with the Vivaldi and has started to combine the organic nature of certain DACS with the precise timing qualities of the most exacting DACs which some felt were a touch cold. ie, the best of both.

I am told Trinity is exactly in this position. I think people expect L7 to be there as well. Thanks for continuing to post!

Lloyd, I was thinking about your digital front end and your intonations early in this thread about the old equipment itch. I think you should be very pleased with yourself. Digital front ends come and go like the wind in most systems. Few manufacturers make dacs that people seem to hold onto. Audionote and Zanden are two that come to mind. You have a fabulous foundation that is imminently tweakable and has made music for 6 years. Bravo. It is VERY hard to find digital that lays down down analog goodness in a realistic manner.

All that being said, the best dac I have "heard" is the Light Harmonic DaVinci. Sadly, the price is a little dear these days...

I couldn't agree more Agear, the are some longer term DAC's that still and always will make music!