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I'm Stuck, MMF9 vs. MMF7 vs. Scout vs. Space deck

I realize yes the Scout and the Space deck will be the better piece's overall. Currently I am in the market for this range of turntable, however the real problems with the Nottingham and Vpi designs are "No" hinged dustcover... This is a must in my home, with animals running around etc... I realize there is a dustcover for these models but simply a pick it up and drop over style, I do not want this, it has to be attachable. Beyond this my only other option is to Wall mount a shelf and use my 3" thick Maple butcher block under the table to hopefully isolate it resonably about 5ft in the air, this is not an easy option at all, and really do not want to do this, and really do not like all the dust that will be continuosly on the table.

--So part 2 of the question, I am considering saveing a lot of hassel and cost, and going with a music hall 7 or 9 that have hinged dust covers.

--Question 2.5 of this is , are the increases the 9 over the 7 worth it? I have been reading many prefer the 7 still, but I also read the Arms are JUNK, on music hall tables.

--Question 3, I will really never go any cartridge higher than a Dynavector 10x, or possibly shelter 501, so are the music hall arms just completly a waste for running these types of cartridges, can they even sound good? Are the music halls arms really that bad in comparison to the Jwm or Spacearm?

I really do want a scout or nottingham, but also do not want the fortune invested not being in an easy position for use and saftey and do not want to put a cardboard box over it everytime its in Use and not in use.

Thanks I really appreciate the effort in helping toward a simple solution here, mainly if any glimer of hope exists for the music hall's then that may be the best end game for me.
matrix
dan_ed
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Wow! That's a great deal. I think if you stay with any medium mass and high compliance cartridge the Project will do fine. As far as the Dynavectors, a well regarded A'goner once recommended a 10x4 to me for my MMF-7. I believe that is a high output MC cartridge. I never got around to trying it but I bet it would work for you.

Speaking of cats. I just got rid of 3 of the 5 furries that have been living with me for the last year. Nothing nefarious, my son and his fiance closed on a house and moved out taking their beasties with them. Sure is quiet at night these days.
matrix OP
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Yeah with the cat She loves to play with things, and I know that the pretty spinning disc will have her right there watching and possibly batting, or putting a paw on the album in an attempt to stop it and stare if you know what I mean. Thanks for the answers I think for the money this is where I will be best off, and I am not super concerned about dust as much as she will jump up and sit on the player at some point... so rather just be safe and at least its a lower investment on top of it. I can not even leave my high end cables exposed, sometimes cats just like to go after what they should not, but thats the thing She leaves Everything else alone?? but She loves to get involved in the vinyl process, especially when I am cleaning on the Vpi, she has to inspect the Sleeves and stuff and sit right on them knowing I am doing something with it at the time, otherwise none of the stuff gets bothered unless I am using it.
dan_ed
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I love my cats. They are not allowed in my listening room. But I do have the luxury of a dedicated listening room. You have to make a decision, if possible, to exclude the precious feline from the room while vinyl is spinning.

That's my PC side. My normal side says boot the little fur ball's ass out! :)

Enjoy your new table! If you get around to upgrading the tonearm wiring, let me know. I have done this and might be able to save some aggrevation with a few tips. It does make for a very positive tweak as would some experiments with different points.
matrix OP
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Dan_ed, Nope no dedicated listening space at the moment, but even then sometimes the cat sneaks in rooms I lock her out of anyway, oh well. Anyhow, What tonearm wireing did you use? How long of a process is it? Not looking to get too crazy or tweaky, actually I found a negative effect on my AR turntable just changing out the basic felt mat with a fancy one, the basic felt sounded better, More analog vs. with the other mat it kinda totally went towards sounding CD'ish and just not as Lush... So that pretty much defeats the purpose in my book! I know thats not the case always of course. Do you guys believe this MMF7 will be superior to the AR ES1? I think it will do a few things better, but just curious if its a resonable step up, mainly I read that the Music hall is very good with deep bass responce over a lot of other tables, but that the MMF5 is actually about equal in overall kinda sound quality as the AR series and that is why I did not consider it, as many say the MMF7 is worlds away from the 5 anyway. For the price hopefully it works out and retires the AR easily, but again I will not break the bank so if it does not do a whole lot better I guess the re-sale on either unit is pretty solid.
dan_ed
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Hi Matrix,

I used Cardas clips and Litz wire. I even changed out the RCA connectors with Vampires. Probably about $50 total and a couple of hours on a Saturday. You do need to be able to solder but nothing special about that. But you're right, you don't need to do anything and probably should get familiar with it for a while. You'll need to get used to setting VTA which is a pain on the MMF 7 but not that bad. Also, be sure to check the VTF against a good scale like the Shure guage. The dial on the tonearm weight is not accurate to use by itself but is pretty good once you get the VTF in the ballpark.

Another thing I remember is that the MMF 7 like many tables liked to sit on a light weight but rigid table. Like a small end table. I used an old sewing machine cabinet. It sounded way better than the MDF audio stand I first placed it on. More dynamic and it helped focus the bass.
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