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Well, I guess it would have been quite helpful and saved a lot of peoples time if I had seen this thread sometime in the last couple of weeks. I have been way too busy lately and have not been able to keep up with this thread.
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Sirspeedy, I will be addressing you with the my post.
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I need to clarify a few points for you. Your assumptions and points are not valid because you have your facts wrong.
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1 - I never told you that the arm had not been touched since the listening session. I did in
fact tell you that Pat and I were shocked that when we check the VTF that it was at 2.30
Grams and that we played with it from down to 1.85 up to 2.35 and found that surprisingly, 2.15 was ideal. I was surprised that a 2.15 setting sounded best (after several trials and retrials) since most people have found that a setting between 1.90 2.00 on the ZYX Universe produces their best results.
2 - I also told you that the fluid tweaking that Doug, Paul and I did was back in December
of 2004 and our get together was in March of this year. I had to re-remind you of
the dates on another post a few months ago when you were making points incorrectly.
3 - In March the 8 of us started out listening to the Graham (after it was checked) with
a Shelter 901, Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum, and a ZYX UNIverse and
compared to a Schroder Reference and a TriPlanar 7. Two of the group did the set
ups with few more looking over their shoulders. I have heard both of them do set ups
on a few occasions and I can tell you that they have always been the best at set ups
in any gathering that I have been fortunate enough to be present.
4 - After the group of left in March, one remaining friend re-mounted the Graham on my table with my ZYX Universe (actually I observed) and watched as it was carefully dialed
for twenty minutes by the best person I know at setting up arms and cartridges.
Since reading your posts here, I checked with my friend and he let me know that there
was no way that he left my arm at 2.30 grams which is where I found it long after
March and nor did he leave the Anti-Skating at the extreme that you discovered when you were visiting. With the 2 hurricanes and all my business travel, I had not been listening to my table for almost 3 months. In only conclude that someone must have
played with the VTF dial and the Anti-Skating (remember, my system is in my office here there is a cleaning crew coming through every night.
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I can tell you that there was 100 % consensus from 8 experienced audiophiles that the Graham did not produce results that were close to what we heard from either the Schroder Reference or the TriPlanar on any of the Cartridges.
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You come across in your posts as a man on a mission to defend the Graham 2.2 (which I think is an excellent arm) and make subjective evaluations about peoples (who you have not met, do not know ) abilities to set up an arm. Both of my friends that did the set up for our Group of 8 have set up Graham 2.2 and are more than adequate to dial in the VTF, VTA and Azimuth.
I feel like you are flailing at any opening to defend your Graham 2.2 and you lose any sense of credibility with your attacks on people. You are way off base with your judgments of their abilities with regard to setting up tables, their ethics and or agendas.
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If you are wondering why people appear to be defensive with you, you might try re-reading this entire thread with an open and objective mind and see how you think you might have felt if you were the recipient of the barbs that you have tossed out.
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Go back through your postings on previous threads and see how many times you have apologized for the roughness or aggressiveness of posts that you have made.
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I get the sense that you are so intent on getting your point across that you dont listen (or read) what the other person is saying or the point they are trying to make. You might want to make more of an effort to understand what someone is trying to tell you instead of being intent on getting out what you have to say. I once suggested in a previous post that you take the time to compose your posts off line in a word document and re-read them before posting. You might want to think about that.
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I found you to be a truly nice person with good intent. I dont think your Audiogon persona reflects who you are.
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I will leave you with the following:
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The Graham 2.2 is a wonderful arm that I am glad that I have owned. Its ability to draw out and present music, detail and all that we chase is not even close to what I have heard produced by the Schroder Reference or TriPlanar. The Graham was so far behind the others arms and the people involved with doing the set ups are so skilled that set up is not any where near the issue here. You are challenging the observations of 8 other people based on their mutual experience that you were not present to witness. That completely flies in the face of logic. You are in no position to have a position in this situation and that is the essence of the strong responses you are getting in this thread.
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I am more than certain that the set ups on the arms/cartridges back in March when the 8 of us got together were done at an extremely high level. I assure you that it was not an audio party. The comparisons of that weekend were done as carefully as possible and with the greatest effort to attention to detail to produce clear and accurate results.
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The group of 7 other guys who got together are more than just fellow Audiophiles to me. They are good friends. To a person, they are intelligent, honest, humble, and giving and I feel quite fortunate to know them. Your points questioning any of their honesty, ability, motives, agenda are completely off base.
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I hope this clears up some of the mis-conceptions and allows the rancor to die down a bit.
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Regards to all,
Larry
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Well, I guess it would have been quite helpful and saved a lot of peoples time if I had seen this thread sometime in the last couple of weeks. I have been way too busy lately and have not been able to keep up with this thread.
.
Sirspeedy, I will be addressing you with the my post.
.
I need to clarify a few points for you. Your assumptions and points are not valid because you have your facts wrong.
.
1 - I never told you that the arm had not been touched since the listening session. I did in
fact tell you that Pat and I were shocked that when we check the VTF that it was at 2.30
Grams and that we played with it from down to 1.85 up to 2.35 and found that surprisingly, 2.15 was ideal. I was surprised that a 2.15 setting sounded best (after several trials and retrials) since most people have found that a setting between 1.90 2.00 on the ZYX Universe produces their best results.
2 - I also told you that the fluid tweaking that Doug, Paul and I did was back in December
of 2004 and our get together was in March of this year. I had to re-remind you of
the dates on another post a few months ago when you were making points incorrectly.
3 - In March the 8 of us started out listening to the Graham (after it was checked) with
a Shelter 901, Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum, and a ZYX UNIverse and
compared to a Schroder Reference and a TriPlanar 7. Two of the group did the set
ups with few more looking over their shoulders. I have heard both of them do set ups
on a few occasions and I can tell you that they have always been the best at set ups
in any gathering that I have been fortunate enough to be present.
4 - After the group of left in March, one remaining friend re-mounted the Graham on my table with my ZYX Universe (actually I observed) and watched as it was carefully dialed
for twenty minutes by the best person I know at setting up arms and cartridges.
Since reading your posts here, I checked with my friend and he let me know that there
was no way that he left my arm at 2.30 grams which is where I found it long after
March and nor did he leave the Anti-Skating at the extreme that you discovered when you were visiting. With the 2 hurricanes and all my business travel, I had not been listening to my table for almost 3 months. In only conclude that someone must have
played with the VTF dial and the Anti-Skating (remember, my system is in my office here there is a cleaning crew coming through every night.
.
.
I can tell you that there was 100 % consensus from 8 experienced audiophiles that the Graham did not produce results that were close to what we heard from either the Schroder Reference or the TriPlanar on any of the Cartridges.
.
You come across in your posts as a man on a mission to defend the Graham 2.2 (which I think is an excellent arm) and make subjective evaluations about peoples (who you have not met, do not know ) abilities to set up an arm. Both of my friends that did the set up for our Group of 8 have set up Graham 2.2 and are more than adequate to dial in the VTF, VTA and Azimuth.
I feel like you are flailing at any opening to defend your Graham 2.2 and you lose any sense of credibility with your attacks on people. You are way off base with your judgments of their abilities with regard to setting up tables, their ethics and or agendas.
.
If you are wondering why people appear to be defensive with you, you might try re-reading this entire thread with an open and objective mind and see how you think you might have felt if you were the recipient of the barbs that you have tossed out.
.
Go back through your postings on previous threads and see how many times you have apologized for the roughness or aggressiveness of posts that you have made.
.
I get the sense that you are so intent on getting your point across that you dont listen (or read) what the other person is saying or the point they are trying to make. You might want to make more of an effort to understand what someone is trying to tell you instead of being intent on getting out what you have to say. I once suggested in a previous post that you take the time to compose your posts off line in a word document and re-read them before posting. You might want to think about that.
.
I found you to be a truly nice person with good intent. I dont think your Audiogon persona reflects who you are.
.
.
.
I will leave you with the following:
.
The Graham 2.2 is a wonderful arm that I am glad that I have owned. Its ability to draw out and present music, detail and all that we chase is not even close to what I have heard produced by the Schroder Reference or TriPlanar. The Graham was so far behind the others arms and the people involved with doing the set ups are so skilled that set up is not any where near the issue here. You are challenging the observations of 8 other people based on their mutual experience that you were not present to witness. That completely flies in the face of logic. You are in no position to have a position in this situation and that is the essence of the strong responses you are getting in this thread.
.
I am more than certain that the set ups on the arms/cartridges back in March when the 8 of us got together were done at an extremely high level. I assure you that it was not an audio party. The comparisons of that weekend were done as carefully as possible and with the greatest effort to attention to detail to produce clear and accurate results.
.
The group of 7 other guys who got together are more than just fellow Audiophiles to me. They are good friends. To a person, they are intelligent, honest, humble, and giving and I feel quite fortunate to know them. Your points questioning any of their honesty, ability, motives, agenda are completely off base.
.
.
I hope this clears up some of the mis-conceptions and allows the rancor to die down a bit.
.
Regards to all,
Larry
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