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How much $ to "match" digital in my system?

I know this is a difficult question, but let me explain how it arose. I'm currently using Apple's Airport Express and iTunes through my Musical Fidelity X-DAC v3, w/ the X-PSU power supply, as source. Sometimes I also listen to SACD, but nevermind that. For amplification, I have a Classe CAP-101, and my Paradigm 20's are soon to be replaced by revel m-22 monitors. I have no sub yet.

Visiting my parents for Thanksgiving, I happened upon a stash of old LP's. Wouldn't you know, there were all of these amazing recordings in beautiful condition: Ormandy, van Cliburn, Gould, Bernstein, and so on. Wow. My parents have a thirty-year-old crappy turntable, with a built-in amp. On that setup, the recordings didn't compare with cd quality, although there *was* something satisfying, despite all of the distortion. Anyway, they don't use or want the collection.

I started wondering what kind of investment it would take, in terms of turntable, tone arm, and cartridge, to enjoy their collection. Would I be better off selling their LP's and investing the money in digital software? Or could I, for a reasonable sum, get something out of that vinyl that cd's couldn't match? It's really all classical music, and especially orchestral. And I am not at all satisfied with my system's reproduction of strings. For whatever reason, it always sounds like strings are metallic. They just don't sound like live string performances. Piano and percussion are close enough for me, but strings, especially larger groups of strings, aren't. Hence, my question.

I know, I know... the sound will have different qualities. It will never reach parity with cd in some respects, regardless of what I spend, and it will better cd in some respects while spending very little. But I'm interested in hearing about your experiences. If you've added vinyl to an otherwise decent digital-based system, how much did you have to spend to feel vinyl was worth your time? And how did you spend it?

Thanks in advance.
qualia8
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rar1
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My hunch is that since your system ... and I will use your words here ... is "mid fi purgatory" ... that you would be looking to (and it probably makes some sense to) purchase a turntable that is mid-fi, as well. If your integrated amplifier does not have a phono input, you will need to purchase a phono outboard or purchase a turntable that has a phono preamp built in.

I gave my turntable and records to a good buddy about 7 years ago, as I found myself not playing my albums at all. From time to time I do miss having a turntable. If I were to go that route again, I would look at some of the all in one packages offered by Music Hall . The MMF 5 ($630 list) comes with a decent cartridge and sounds really good. I heard a Louis Armstrong/Duke Ellington 1960 recording (The Great Summit) on a system with the MMF 5 (Creek amp; EPOS speakers) and was absolutely transfixed by how good the music sounded.

Alternatively, if you want to just get your feet wet, keep the cost low, and still get a respectable turntable, try some of the $200 Technics models at KAB USA .

Regards, Rich
ptmconsulting
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read this thread at audio circle:
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/viewtopic.php?t=22938

Enjoy,
Bob
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thom_at_galibier_design
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Ah yes ... string reproduction. I feel your pain. This is the most difficult thing for a system to get right ... at any point in the signal chain, and to my ears, it is not possible with the current state of consumer digital at any price.

This weekend, I traveled to Dallas, TX and plugged one of my rigs into a very nice system. It was CD based (nice digital), and the fellow used a Dual 1229 turntable with a fairly pedestrian cartridge. The Dual fed a Hagerman Coronet (Octal tube version) and made great tunes. It was a bit recessed sounding but had great tone.

I'd consider something on the order of a Dual 1229 or a used Thorens TD 125, along with the least expensive Grado cartridge, and one of Jim Hagerman's Bugle phono variants (no financial connection with Jim ... just like his stuff).

What this type of system gets right can't be touched by digital at any price. If you want dynamics and the last bit of nuance, then you'll need something like what I'm doing with my rigs, but for sheer musical bliss, a rig like the above (or a variant) will have you smiling.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
holmejr
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For one, your 101 does not have a phono section. You'll have to buy one. The Music Fidelity X-lps is about $400 big ones. A decent entry level TT will prob cost you $600 (Music Hall MMF5). Cables will cost $ also. I say save yourself the headaches and donate those lp to a library.
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