I bought the VMS20e MkII new in 1980 (discounted to $55!) and am still using it today. I replace the stylus every year or two, which are amazingly still available. It's in a Thorens TP30 low-mass (7.5g) tonearm. The 20 has a nude elliptical stylus, and is designed for low-mass tonearms, VTF 1.0g. The 30 has a fine-line stylus, and a stiffer suspension for use with tonearms with slightly more effective mass (10g?) 1.3g VTF, the body is identical between the two. When well-matched to a tonearm with good cables and electronics it's remarkable how good this cart continues to sound even against the best MMs and many high-output MCs. All bets off vs the better modern MCs out there though (duh).