Dynavector XV-1s What is the REAL story?


I have read the performance parameters required for best sound in this cartridge, by the great HP,which I found interesting and perplexing.I then read,what seems to be a complete about face of HP's findings,by Mr Fremer,in Stereophile.Mr. Fremer does make a valid argument(we're talking tracking force)for correct alignment in the coils,and claims the mfgr's suggested force is the way to go.Makes sense,to me, NOT to stray from what the original designer has recommended!Yet,what do I know?It also seemed that MR Fremer was intentionally making the point,that HP was a bit clueless regarding downforce.

Well,now we have the "new audio pioneer"(I do like the guy,alot)Arthur Salvatore,on his "really fun to follow" web pages,stating that after much experience,with the XV-1s,he has concluded that MR Pearson was RIGHT,in recommending a downforce considerably higher than even the mfgr states.Obviously Mr Fremer would be incorrect.Even though his argument follows the line of ultimate reliability,as well as performance.All in a product costing about 4500 bucks--????

So,my argument is this---"WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON"???

We have a very expensive product that has gotten a considerable amount of press,where the supposedly top reviewers in the industry cannot seem to agree on a parameter that will DEFINITELY affect both sonic performance,as well as long term reliability!

They claim that "Newbees" are in short supply,and the industry is shrinking.Hmm,I wonder why!

Do we ALL cancel our subscriptions,to these "once hobbyist oriented" journels?Do we rely on forums like this to garnish the "TRUTH",where there STILL are those who "jump" at the opportunity to tout their Favorite possessions,and put in a good word for their favorite designer/manufacturers?

Or do we start to rely on our own sense of perceptions,which(believe me)really begin to "sharpen up",after you have spent your hard earned cash!!

Any thoughts are always welcome!!
sirspeedy70680e509
Dear Sirspeedy: This is what I answer ( off-line ) to the same VTF question of one Audiogoner:

+++++ " I try my XV-1 with damping and with out it and at the end I choose with out it. My XV-1 is on my Micro Seiki RX 5000 and I use a self design phonopreamp ( phono/line in one unit that I love it ), I think that I don't need the damping. I can " see " that you have an excellent TT too: the Acutus ( I like it ).

Now, about the 2.6 gr. On the VTF my opinion is: the manufacturer range is between 1.8 to 2.2 gr. Why all cartridges manufacturers give us that VTF range? : it is because inside that VTF range the cartridge coils are centered and this is a critical point in the cartridge performance.
You choose a VTF out of that range, so the coils are centered-off and the cartridge sound reproduction change. If you like it or not is another issue:
the point here is that your XV-1 is running out of specs. You like more the " colorations " of an off-centered coils, that's ok.
In the long run that " heavy " VTF will do a degradation on the cartridge suspension that could affect in a severe way the future sound reproduction of your cartridge and can ruin your LPs. Take care about and ask directly to Dynavector, maybe they approved it. " +++++

That same day I ask directly to Dynavector in Japan and the Dynavector Technical Director give me this answer:
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> +++++ " Dear Raul,
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> Thank you for your using DV products.
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> DV cartridges can secure sufficient performance when using recommended
> tracking force motioned on the manual. It is true that Higher tracking
> force can improve the tracking performance at the high amplitude track
> of the record but too higher tracking force might cause the problem
> with frequency response as upper side of the damper rubber is
> compressed by the coil bobbin and downside of the damper rubber is
> detach from the coil bobbin.
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> We advise 2.5g would be reasonable maximum tracking force for the XV-1s.
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> Tracking ability of the XV-1s is slightly changed by room temperature.
> It means that when you use the cartridge in cold room, you should
> increase tracking force a little than the XV-1s recommended tracking
> force of 2.0g, when you use cartridge in hot room you should decrease
> tracking force.
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> Hopefully it could be helpful to you. " +++++

Before these question/answer I run my Xv-1 at 2.2 grs. with very good performance, after the Dynavector answer I try 2.5 grs and finish in 2.4 grs: great performance.

Now, Mr. Fremer is right on his statements about and I agree with him, at least on this subject.

The opinion of Mr. Pearson ( that I respect ) is totally out of take in count : he speaks of 2.6-2.7 grs, he is totally wrong and he can give that kind of opinion because he maybe don't pay 4.5K for that cartridge and he don't care about his LPs damage. Now, Mr. Pearson has a high frequency problem with its ears, he not only does not care about the VTF manufacturer recomendation, he don't care about load impedance either: he always run any cartridge at 47K, obviously he needs equalization.

From Mr. Salvatore ( that I admire for his constant support to his web site ) he is wrong too.

+++++ " Or do we start to rely on our own sense of perceptions " +++++

Here we can't do that: these kind of cartridges are really expensive and our beloved LPs deserves that we take care about.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
For some reason on my last two carts I much preffered them at max. reccomended force when they were new and at much lower force when I had several (50-100) hours on them. Don't know if this means diddly, but yea, liking the same brand cart at two very different settings did happen, twice.
Also, I've read that some of the high end carts can have a tight sweet spot that varies with things like humidity. FWIW.
Dear Jeff: You are right. When a cartridge is new the suspension is to rigid and sometimes needs the max VTF but over the play hours the suspension is right on target and with less VTF sounds right.

Van denHul recomended this for my Colibri and really works.

Rigfht now I'm on that " game " with the XV-1 but I don't have yet any conclusion about on it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
most people use higher vtf to counter mistracing. remember putting the penny on the tonearm. I don't remeber what arm he was using with dynavector xv-1. Also HP tends to match what he thinks is the absolute best cartridge with the absolute best arm. Sometimes they are an ideal match sometimes not. Maybe he needs to experiment with other arms.
BTW,Raul--I knew,in advance of posing my question,that your response would be quite interesting,and in this case,seemingly plausable,as well.

Also,I'm not really surprised with the discrepencies displayed by some industry people,as you know.Alot of what we are exposed to is simply the marketing engine,at work!Do we really need more stuff?As regularly as we are told,we do?Do you really believe that there are "levels of improvement",that appear as regularly as the next issue of TAS,or Stereophile,with the "components of the moment"?Go to a dealer,or show event,and try to listen beyond the hype.If you've been at this for a long time,ask yourself if what you are hearing is really better than what you have assembled,over the time you have spent,in this hobby.Especially if you are an active hobbyist.You may be surprised,with the answer.

My point is that it is of paramount importance to trust your own intuitive senses!Not what we are told should be best!!Also,sure it's fun to get as technical,as we see in these forums,but in all truthfulness it is merely an exercise in technospeak!!ANY "newbee" out there,trust your own judgements,you will seldom make a gross enough error,that will dampen your enjoyment of musi Best!