Building high-end 'tables cheap at Home Despot II


“For those who want the moon but can't afford it or those who can afford it but like to have fun and work with their hands, I'm willing to give out a recipe for a true high-end 'table which is easy to do, and fun to make as sky's the limit on design/creativity! The cost of materials, including 'table, is roughly $200 (depending, more or less), and add to that a Rega tonearm. The results are astonishing. I'll even tell/show you how to make chipboard look like marble and fool and impress all your friends. If there's interest I'll get on with this project, if not, I'll just continue making them in my basement. The next one I make will have a Corian top and have a zebra stripe pattern! Fun! Any takers?”

The Lead in “Da Thread” as posted by Johnnantais - 2-01-04

Let the saga continue. Sail on, oh ships of Lenco!
mario_b
Speaking of vintage speakers, I still like my Dynaco's in my vintage living room system. However, I finally heard something that just didnt sound good on this system - a bass heavy Bill Laswell Axiom number. It left me pining for my 211's and some high endy speakers. Which brings me to my new speakers - 15" ATC woofer, 6.5" Accuton mid and Raven 2 tweeter. I will be posting pics soon.

Speaking of pics Jean, how about some pics of the 100 lb super jumbo jet Lenco - as well as some underside pics of the glassed-in Lenco??? If nothing else, get one of those Walmart disposable film cameras. Inquiring minds want to see!

Naturally, we are all quitely confident that much ass will be kicked in this contest vs the upstairs crowd :)

Mike
Super jumbo jet Lenco, what a hoot! I'm working on getting access to high-speed internet and a high-speed computer out here in the country, as soon as I've done this I'll once again be able to post photos, and I REALLY want to do this, if only to snicker at current high-end drivers sitting next to vintage high-end drivers ;-)!!

I've just set-up the SME IV to the 100-pound Super Jumbo Jet Lenco, and mounted my Monster Cable Sigma Genesis 2000 to that, and heard a significant darkening and dynamic flattening of the sound as compared with the same cartridge on both the stellar JMW 10.5 and the stellar RS Labs RS-A1. Now, as context, the Monster Cable kicked the ass of the Denon when set up on the RS-A1, jury's still out on the JMW, as it sounded great with both the Denon and the Monster (and the fab Ortofon Jubilee, which I mistakenly sold....I'll buy another one soon :-)). So, disappointed, I remembered my experience a while back with a SME V I had the opportunity to play with (thanks Bob!), which I wrote about at that time: I found there was a special synergy between the SME V and the humble Denon DL-103 (mine having an elliptical tip from phonophono in Berlin). I figured this would also apply to the nearly-identical SME IV, and mounting it, I found that the Denon now kicked the ass of the previously-superior Monster Cable, in every single audiophile area as well as in musical terms. There was more detail (on other tonearms the Monster was always significantly superior to the Denon in this sense), MUCH better, deeper and tighter bass (on the RS-A1 the reverse is true) and MUCH MUCH more musicality, PRaT, gestalt and overall dynamics! As I wrote back then on a completely different system, the Denon DL-103s, likely in all their iterations, are waiting for the SME IV/V to show just how good they REALLY are (and musically-speaking, vice-versa, the SME IV/V are wating for the Denons - AND idlers - to show just how POTENT they are!)), this match-up being one of those unbeatable synergies, like the air-bearing MG-1/Dynavector 17D MKIII, or the JMW/Decca combinations. For the better off, I say it makes sense to match up a $4K-$5K tonearm to a two hundred dollar cartridge (plus 80 euros for retipping), as this particular cartridge is in many ways one of the best, and on these tonearms even in audiophile terms becomes something much much more (as do the SMEs in question, actually)!! To the less well-heeled, I say the SME tonearms usually go for between $1400 and $1800 used, and with the Denon still comes to less than the price of a currently "reasonably-priced" high-end MC!! I was thinking of selling this tonearm after the Showdown, but now I think I'll keep it. The Ultra Lenco is a two-tonearm Lenco, and the second for now will be the RS-A1/Monster combination.

With the RS-A1 we have a similar story, but in reverse. In this case, the Monster LOMC usually sounds a bit dead and lifeless in comparison with Deccas and Denons, and the RS-A1 can sound too exhuberant. But, the Monster becomes extremely musical, and preserves its super-detail (a high-end MC with a micro-ridge stylus) to become a great combination, having amazing bass, great musicality/PRaT and amazing dynamics to boot! So, there will be a flexibility of options to go against the SME 30!! It's all unexpected synergies fellows, excepting for the universal and across-the-board improvements wrought in every system when a high-mass idler-wheel drive is inserted!! Have fun all!!
Mr Win Tinnon, the Black turntable, and the Oswald Mill tasting report

First from scratch idler built in this century!!

I quote a small portion:

"Mike Lavorgna of Six Moons will be doing a writeup shortly, and I am waiting for participants to send in their photos, but some of the highlights for me this year were Win Tinnon's incredible 200 pound plus new idler drive turntable, in slate. Colby Lamb did the machining, and was also in attendance. Tinnon has a patent pending on the idler mechanism, and they built everything but the motor themselves, with Mark Kelly designing and providing the three phase control electronics. OMA did the slate work, Frank Schroeder provided one of his inimitable tonearms (Reference SQ.)"

Word around the campfire is that the cognoscenti have declared the table one of the best they have ever heard. I sure wish there were pictures.
Oh yes! I have seen the Black Slate Beauty machined parts as they were made.
The idler wheel doesn't use a shaft!
I've been lucky enough to have seen photos of the complete table as well.
I hope to hear this slate beauty, to compare with the Birch ply Lencos in my stable.
Impressive when one considers how well a properly (wood) plinthed, tweaked out Lenco can stand up to the ultraexpensive belt drives.
The word from the Mill is that this one is fantabulous.
Well, at this end I've been bootin' it to get that Lenco vs SME 30 showdown set-up, which apparently happens this week. It'll be set up over a week and played before a line-up of various excited witnesses. So, to recap, it'll be the Mighty Lenco - excepting for proper restoration, and some tweaks, "Au Naturel", but Direct Coupled to a Giant Russian birch-ply/MDF plinth - with a variety of tonearm/cartridge combos, vs the SME 30 set up with a Graham Phantom/Benz LP combo. We'll also likely simply move the RS-A1/Monster Cable Sigma Genesis 2000 from one turntable to the other, as the RS-A1 makes this easy.

In other news, I finally received the rebuilt Leak Stereo Twenty, which turned out to be astonishingly detailed and fast. I've now got it set-up with the Mighty Electro-Voice three-way speakers of mine, which belong to the Patrician era. The combo, with my ultra-quiet Pioneer C-91 preamp, is incredibly dynamic, quiet and detailed, with amazing bass, PRaT and gestalt, even with only the "humble" replinthed Technics SP-25 in heavy plinth, with Sumiko FT-3 matched to a cheapie - and not very good - Supex MM!! I cannot wait to hear it with a Giant Lenco tonight, don't even know what to expect given the irresistable results I already have as-is! Holy Crap! I'm also installing a beer fridge, and will be inviting the interested to come and hear what vintage items (mixed in with some modern) can REALLY do! Being in a garage/workshop out in the country, there's no limit on SPLs too ;-).

Too bad what should have been great news is severely mitigated by petty politics, axe-grinding, and the need to create neurosis as to a certain Mighty record player ;-). Nevertheless, cause to celebrate the Ongoing Idler-Wheel Revolution, let's hear it: Vive la Lenco, Vive la Idler Wheel!!!