considering a Maplenoll


What is the experience some of you have had living with these tables . some of the parts are not so easy to find and are not being made any more . I know they sound supper nice and natural but Who works on them ?! if you need help . Lloyd Walker said I should be very careful , that they are hard to set up and I should understand the mechanics or not to buy one .
does any one own a Cleo? , is it like an Athena ?
alexthe
As good sounding as the Athenas were, their build quality was more like a high school science project tahn a professional product. You haven't experienced what a Maplenoll can be like until you've seen the better/later models.
I'm really glad I posted this Question , or am I ? I find the Maplenoll a fascinating table . I even like very much the look's ( Athena ) . It is very highly regarded by Arthur Salvatore a master . But a lot of you seem to find the TT too much of a bother to keep using, for very long . I would like a vintage or used table really great and for the long run ( Classical Music about or under $1000 . A latter Maplenoll might be the answer ? There Is one other table I am fascinated with a Townshend cransfeild rock .
Thank you all ! and would love to hear more .
Alex
Alexthe :
I have owned a Maplenoll Ariadne for over 17 years and I agree with oilman and piedpiper's comments.

Should you really have a burning interest to own one of these table's a few words of advice:

1. Build a library of information from paper and internet sources so the issues/problems encountered by others and for the most part resolved are readly available.

2. The Maplenoll has only about 21 parts but for your sanity learn the mechanics of the table. If you can't make that kind of commitment don't buy the 'Nolls --They can drive you crazy. You will be surprized how a slight adjustment can turn the sound from muck to beauty.

3. Besides the proper setup , building a air control system is essential. Keep in mind that a quite air pump is costly and they all require some maintance. For lots more information/advice check out "New Maplenoll Ariadne Owner Needing Advice".

4. Do all the above and more and for a fraction of the cost you will be a owner of one of the finest playback systems in Analog. If all of this sounds too much buy a "plug 'an play" -- Lots to choose from.

Wish you all the best.
Threaders : Following years of owning a Maplenoll and collecting information on the 'Noll line, I feel compelled to offer a warning to newbies who have seen several NOS Maplenolls offered for sale on the Web.

From the pictures and descriptions I have viewed I am greatly concerned that the average Mary or John may fail to understand that while these tables are occassionly associated with the name of LLoyd Walker, they in no way should be considered bargain basement versions of his $$$$$$ turntable. The only fair comparison is that they are air bearing and that is where all similarities end.

Many of the so called NOS tables, at least in my opinion, appear to a mis-match of parts from different era's in the evolution of the turntable. I am suspicious that they could have been packaged recently, regardless of the condition of the box. Only someone with years of experience with the 'Noll line could view differences not even the seller. I may be mistaken but recently I viewed a NOS table that appeared to have been manufactured in the 1980's but included improvements made years later.

Also , keep in mind that no one has published a master index of the Noll serial numbers; #1689 could stand for the total number of tables manufactured to that time , or perhaps January 1st, 6th made that day, 1989 or have no meaning .

All the Maplenoll tables I have viewed for sale in the recent past I believe have been offered for sale with air pumps manufactured for different tables but not suited as exact matches for that table they are paired with . For instance, the Ariadne turntable was initially manufactured with a 10 pound platter; therefore, PSI pressure @ 10-13 PSI was considered acceptable. However, as the weight of the platter increased it was understood that the air pumps needed to produce more air to smooth out the movement of the arm that were always designed as a match with a high pressure manifold. The quiet air pumps produce 40+ PSI, yet all recently sold Ariadnes do not have the hi-pressure pump. These hi-pressure pumps are EXPENSIVE. Be prepared to shell out $$$-$$$$ in addition to the cost of the table. The early air pumps are very noisey, be prepared to build quiet housings , expect potental pump issues and perhaps the arm "hanging-up" during play.

My greatest concern is that newbies are going to be in for kilo-buck shock when they learn that these tables demand significant investment of time and money before they will approach what any Pro-Ject or Rega table can produce plug 'n play. I mean what I say. I have learned over the years that you must have SOTA air control system and speed controllers,as well as a near complete re-build to approach the playing abilty some of these tables have been claimed to perform out-of-the-box. I believe the suspended tables have finite limits to what can be expected no matter how much money one spends to buy them. Be aware !! The money you lose may be your own.
Readers: I continue to review the Maplenoll's for sale via the internet. I feel that fewer than ever have been offered for sale. That is understandable when one recognizes the Maplenoll's were manufactured between 1982'ish to 1996. No actual production records have been published for public viewing but from what I understand approximately 2,500 Maplenoll's (all types) were produced and I believe perhaps less than 60% are currently in any sort of operating condition. Of that number I believe fewer than 1,300(just a guess) are in V++ to Mint condition and most are here in the US and Canada. What all this means is that"you are on your own" when it comes to parts replacement. The pumps continue to be a issue. Maplenoll sold 3 or 4 types (10,20&40PSI). Getting the right match , or understanding the post-buy expense is a must for any newbie. I shall continue to observe and post what I have learned from time to time.