Tri-Planar with no anti-skate?


On a hunch I removed the AS weight entirely from my new TP 7 (Merrill table & Ortofon Kont H cart).

The sound improved to an astounding degree: tons more body, much more solid imaging.

Certainly, I must not have had the anti-skate optimally adjusted, I am curious if others prefer it this way too.
paulfolbrecht
I love the triplanar arm. Along the same line, has anyone use no damping fluid at all?

Thanks

Newbee to vinyl
The TriPlanar has no A/S scale because Herb Papier understood that different cartridges track differently and that different records act differently. This makes any A/S scale arbitrary and essentially useless.

Still, a scale gives a visual marker that makes it easier to use and easier to return to a setting. Making physical adjustments in tiny increments can benefit from visual reference points. The fact that different cartridges track differently does nothing to reduce the value of knowing relative adjustment position. :-)

Tim
Doug - thanks for the tips. I had seen your advice in old thread but largely forgot about it. I will certainly go re-read them.

Am at RMAF enjoying myself this weekend. Great show. I must say that I think that we (Norvinz/Consonance) have some of the best sound of the show. Lots of other good stuff as well (and, as always, lots of stinkers as too).

Paul
Norvinz FR
None of the Triplanar owners that I know use any dampening fluid.

Scale?!? We don't need no stinking scale! :)
Good question SirSpeedy...
Doesn't setting antiskate, seperately from VTF, change the VTF value,necessitating an aditional re-check of VTF?
Certainly VTF and A/S are interactive, but IME adjusting A/S only occasionally alters VTF. The amount of lateral bias force we need is so tiny relative to downforce that this would be a case of the tail wagging the dog.

Consider this: if you applied enough downforce you could play almost any record with no A/S at all. It might sound like doo-doo but you'd have no mistracking. OTOH, no amount of A/S would let you play cleanly if VTF were insufficient.

For initial setup it helps to disengage A/S because it lets us find the cartridge's VTF mistracking point quickly, and that's the key to optimizing VTF. Once you've got VTF on the knife edge of perfection, a REALLY tough-to-track passage (piano stikes, big operatic solo, hard blown horn or sax) will demonstrate the need for A/S, since you're likely to get some R channel mistracking. (If you get mistracking on both channels you need more VTF, at least for that record.)

Ultimately you're right Mark, they do interact, but that's at the level of changing weather and changing LP's. For those willing to adjust every day or for every record they do have to optimized interactively. I did that the other night. A strong piano solo record needed more VTF and six O-rings on the A/S dogleg. Then a big cathedral organ record needed a hair less VTF but far less A/S, just two O-rings. Then a harpsichord record needed still less VTF and just one A/S O-ring. This interactivity is only for those willing to adjust for each LP. The differences are audible, but some would regard such frequent adjustment as insane. It lets us hear more of the music so we don't mind - but we're insane!

P.S. I should mention I've come around to your view on cartridge alignment. I leave A/S engaged at a typical value when aligning the cantilever on a protractor. It's likely the cantilever will adopt a similar angle during real play so that's how it should be aligned. Very belated thanks for that tip!

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Jtimothya,

The TriPlanar's A/S dogleg does have visual markers, a ridge every few mm along the dogleg where you slide the weight. They're not numbered but you could count them if you wanted. Using O-rings to fine tune both VTF and A/S gives us repeatable visual references. For example: I know I need somewhere between 1 and 6 A/S O-rings for any record, depending on the record.

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Glai,

No damping fluid here either. Tried it. Hated it. Dumped it.

I've heard rumors that some insane owners have actually removed their damping fluid troughs altogether. I would never encourage such irresponsible behavior of course, even if it does reduce resonances and notably lower the noise floor!