Suspended vs. non suspended turntable


Hello all,

I am ready to begin my foray into the world of vinyl (again). Looking at the turntables out there, it seems as if there are two types - those with suspension, and those without. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each?

Keith
amfibius
The main reason why I enjoy Audiogon forum life(now that I realize there are "real" people on the other end of my computer screen)is it allows us to all give our own thoughts on every subject(obviously)....I am not about to be too stubborn to consider other viable thoughts,which surely have come up with this subject.
I might have my own way of viewing things "audio",but if I were too closed minded,I'd never have the kind of quality music now playing,in my room.
Most of "you" have definitely helped me realize there are legitimate alternate views,on this subject,as well as many other matters regarding "getting music" to sound like we'd like it to,in our homes.
Thanks for keeping me grounded!...Always much to ponder/think through,with my somewhat overly analytical "ways".
Best to all.
Rauliregas, I am budgeting about AUD$20k (US$17k) for the whole setup - T/T, arm, cartridge, phono stage, and stand. Should be enough to get me something decent, I think.
Hi Keith,

With that budget you can get the Raven AC together with the Australian Continuum Copperhead arm which quite frankly is astounding.
If you live in Sydney you are welcome to come to my place to hear the differences for yourself.

Regards
Halcro
OH, BOY! Now we get to spend $17K of someone else's money! While I ponder my version of a shopping list I'll throw out some more things that can be pondered while visiting the porcelain throne.

I'm not intending to pick on Dgarretson here. I'm just trying to think out loud and see if I can resolve somethings to my benefit. The more I learn the more I know how much I don't know.

If I'm taking too much of a turn from the topic of Amfibius's thread I'll be happy to take this discussion to a new one.

regarding the merit of a non-suspended TT, but sited on a platform that provides a decoupling suspension.

Adding a suspension to a non-suspended table? If this does improve the performance of any table, what does that say about that table's implementation? Flip that around to those who find that removing the suspension from a table in favor of fixed feet. Again, what does that say for the table's build or design?

But then again, maybe it is the combination of the table and what it sits on. I have found that the material directly in contact with my table has a lot to do with the performance that I get from my analog system. Either way it seems to me that we still have to make our determinations about a table's setup and performance on a case by case basis since there are so many factors that affect what we get. Analog can definitely be a tweaker's dream or nightmare.

[quote] If you can rap the rack with your knuckles and hear the sound through the speakers while the stylus rests in the record groove, then it's likely that the rack is acting as an antennae for LF vibration from earth or from AC transformers on the lower shelves or from acoustic waves from the speakers. [/qoute]

I believe the natural frequency of the earth is around 6-8Hz. Well below the resonance of most arm/cart combinations. Don't think that's going to affect much in the audible range. However, I can see that if one lived on a busy city street or had a freeway right next door there perhaps may be some transfer of noise into the table.

I can't see how rapping my knuckles, a force of several ounces or more per square inch, can indicate that sound waves can be influencing anything through my table above the noise floor of my analog system as a whole. I agree that it tells me the wood I built my rack from is relatively easily excited.

Noise from other components on the same stand. That should be real easy to measure the difference. All one needs to do is measure the response through the speakers with the components in the stand and with the components not in the stand. Very easy to find out if the difference is above the noise floor or not. This iss assuming that the sensitivity of the measuring equipment is sufficient enough to record the difference. Even if the equipment is not, and more importantly, can your ears hear the difference?

Gives me something to ponder.
Have you got any clues as to what you would like? You mention a substantial budget. What do you already have, if anything? What would you like to improve and what do you listen to regarding genre and quality of your pressings?

Dave