Strange phenomona this hobby.

Pedrillo said:

"I am willing to bet the cognoscienti here will agree that live music will not be found in our homes with playback systems that easily.
But I heard it once at the show, actually twice.
So is there a class A++ for those systems that recreate the live event and do I really have to have it."

Well, many of us do indeed have live music in our homes, like guitars, pianos, keyboards and, in my case, trumpets, flugelhorns, cornets and related instruments.

For those of us that hear a lot of live music it can't help but be part of our reference.

If you've only heard live music once or twice then it can't possibly be part of your reference. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just where you come from. If you like music despite the lack of hearing it live, then just listen to it a variety of ways and go the way that pleases your ear.

I'd dare say that most people here on A'gon are aiming for as close an approximation of live music as they can achieve within their budgets and space. That doesn't have to be your goal, but I think you'll have people argue with you on this aspect of your "audiophiluousness". Don't worry, just please yourself.

Dave

Well put Stringreen.

Pedrillo,

I think if you did head to head comparisons you would find that you really do have to pay more for the best products. Whether you choose to prioritize your funds to get them or not doesn't negate that they're better any more than the existence of the best negates that the great but more affordable ones make wonderful music for the money. I'm not saying that quality always follows the price but almost always the best is relatively more expensive than the not quite so good.

For instance, you might find a $40k turntable that is arguably the best thing out there even in comparison with $100k ones, but you won't find a $1k table that will compete at that level, although it might be better than most $2k tables.

And then there is the question of which ones are the best which is subjective anyway as Stringreen so eloquently put. Satisfaction is a complex equation.

Strange stuff indeed!

Forget live, you'll never get it. The best any of us can hope for is SOME of the aspects of a live performance in our playback systems. This is why we all say "listen for yourself". You're always going to be choosing the type and/or amount of colorations that most appeal to you. DougDeacon and I have almost identical analog systems, until you get to the speakers. That's seems to be the component that is most subjected to personal tastes and preferences. Seems strange on the face of it, but perhaps not when you consider we all diverge to some extent when it comes to the genre of music we each prefer and even what we may emphasis within a particular genre.

Then you take those components that sounded so good at the show or at some other place into your listening room and suddenly the magic isn't there. Or vice-versa.

Same with recommendations. We all ask for them, give them and listen to them to some extent. Some of the worst system performance I've experienced in my home has come from components and cables I've tried based on the high recommendation of others whose opinions I hold in high regard. Synergy is important.

On the flip side I've been able to make great improvements in my system based on feedback from people who hear my system. It is amazing to me that I, or anyone, can listen to their system day after day and be happy with the sound. Or maybe not quite sure what is missing, or just plain wrong. Then your friend comes in and within 5 minutes tells you exactly what is going on. Sometimes when this happens you begin to recognize what they were saying. Sometimes this happens right away, sometimes it hits you a few weeks later. Sometimes you can accept it and be happy, sometimes you go to the ends of the earth to correct it. Which sometimes only takes you back to square one.

Maybe it isn't any component or the system as a whole. Maybe it is the room interaction. Do you need acoustic treatments? Probably, but which ones and how many and where to place them?

But with so many other hobbies you can measure in some way the improvement or degradation of a change. In this hobby you can't always find a difference using test equipment or some other empirical data. The only test you have is how it sounds to you in your system in your listening room.

Strange stuff indeed! Sometimes it all makes my head hurt. That's when I try to stop thinking. I pull out an LP or CD that I know doesn't sound "audiophile" and just enjoy the reason I bought that music in the first place. I know I'll get back into the crazies tomorrow.

I think we're all a little self-delusional in this hobby. We have people who swear they are re-creating the ambiance of Carnegie hall in a 10x13 room with a 7 ft ceiling. Personally I like to pretend that Coleman Hawkins is blowing right there between my speakers....there in front of the TV.... didn't you hear that? He was there... I swear...

You can drive yourself nuts trying to capture that level of realism. But the alternative is worse. I hear that recovering audiophiles often take up bird watching.

Wonderful responses, and we all understand each other even though we have different taste or hear things differently.
If I may add, sometimes the very same component will sound different because of caps or resistors having slightly different values or solder work being slightly inconsistent. This hobby is better than competetive chess or brewing beer even more challenging than being a ski
instructor.
Dcstep
You may have misunderstood me. I meant that I heard systems such as the mbl's (3 times at the expos 2 of those times they sounded like the real thing way better than anything else at the show).
And I do go to the concert hall, my favorite genre is opera and I am fortunate enough to be so close to the met and that tickets can be had for under $30 if I blew my check on some silly component.
Enjoy the music.