vintage turntables?

Chuckelator - 1st want to thank you for this thread, I have refound old TT's and have been sucked in after pulling out of the attic my older Thorns TD160 that I have had since collage 35yrs ago. After doing research, a great site for this is the analog dept. - strong following for Thorns, I rebuilt the TD160 with the birch plywood base - but I added aluminum banding to cover this detail, damping the inners and then most impt - installing an older SME3009 ll arm on the original SME arm board. Had to cut some of the steel sub base to fit this in, but the final looks and sound is great. Then rewired the SME arm with Cardas tonearm wire to cardas RCA jacks mounted on the back side( very impt). redid the power wiring to the standard male output so a new power cord can be used, footers to raise and level the table. The motor was in great condition - no noise. This TT has great focus, depth and soundstage. I was so impressed I have purchased two more TD160's ( to make one ) and another SME arm.

So things happen in three's - on ebay last month a AR ES1 TT came up - totally perfect, inc the plexglass cover - not even a ding. So for this project I found on AG a Black Widow tonearm ( always wanted one ) that I am fitting to the AR. I am getting motor noise from the hearst motor and will probably replace this with the new 22vac motor/power supply from the Soundofthewood.com Another great site for AR is Vinylenirvana. The fun part is the rebuilding and to show others how well these old TT's can sound.

There is a downside - prices. I wanted a TD124 but on ebay this can go over $1200 - 1500 before you spend a bunch to rebuild. Art Dudley( Stereophile ) has made a big deal this year in his purchase of a TD124 and his new love with this table. This is where the TD160 for $100-200 can be a best buy, lots were made. Older AR's are harder to find. The SME 3009 arms are also inflated. You have to pick and choose to find the right price.

No matter what you do, if you have the tools and skills, the tables can sound good and really look great - have fun.

Bruce

Some excellent links.
Thanks everybody!

James1969- The economy of scale is gone and so is the mass market subsidy. Those companies would elect to use exotic materials and they would machine to preposterous precision. If they did it. Which they won't. Ever.

The market is too small for a giant like that to be bothered. That's why the companies making most turntables today are able to stay in business. They are able to fly under the corporate radar because this market segment is just too fringey for the big guys to bother with.

so...aside from the technics 1200's and the like, any other good model reccomendations for vintage dd turntables to keep an eye out for? as far as belt drives go, im keeping my eyes on the td-160 for now, and the ar tables too, i love the way they look more than anything. i know jvc, kenwood and alot of the other japanese brands are good names, but what models specifically should i watch for?

Macrojack, I think it is misleading to state "the Technics SP-10 was originally designed for DJ work". I believe it was designed for studio application, which included radio DJs, but not club DJs as we think of them today -- mixin' and scratchin' and all that!

Stan Ricker told me he suggested the SP-10 motor drive application for disc cutting in mastering studios and apparently many were used for that. But the SP-10 was also offered as a consumer product, not just for professional studios. And the SP-10 Mk2, Mk2A, and Mk3 upgrades were sold as both studio and consumer products.

With the introduction of CDs in 1982, many radio stations began switching from vinyl almost immediately because of easier handling and cueing plus less storage space than LPs. This was about the time of introduction for the SP-10 Mk 3 so studio demand never really developed and not many were built. It was also quite expensive for a consumer product. Thus came the end of the higher quality DD tables.

As an aside, a friend just purchased a Teres rim drive motor and controller for use with his VPI Scout. Apparently the VPI rim drive only fits the Super Scoutmaster and TNT. Anyway, the rim drive on his Scout is a revelation -- it is quieter, offers better bass, more spaciousness, and simply pulls you along with the music in a way the original belt drive cannot. Which brings us back to the OT, some of the better vintage DD and rim drive tables should not be considered outmoded and can stand up to today's performance standards when set up correctly.