The correct internal-inductance of Windfeld cart.?


What (on earth) is the correct internal-inductance of the Ortofon Peer Windfeld cartridge?

They made a mistake in the brochure about the loading impedance: it says >10k but should read >10 ohms. This was admitted by the factory's techies.

The brochure also says internal-inductance: 700 mH !!!
This you would expect from an MM cart. Was this also a factor 1 000 error? I can not find ANY help on the web to clear this up. Can any one help?
axelwahl
The main point you are missing here is that 20 times the voltage i.e. 6.8mV instead of 0.3mV into 47k pre-input-impedance, WILL and DOES 'pull' more current on the primary side which has ONLY 10 ohm impedance! A virtual short circuit!!

I'm sorry, No it doesn't. In order to not break the first law of thermodynamics, applying the load to the primary of the transformer while keeping a fixed load on the cartridge must DECREASE the current through the transformer.

Furthermore, If you want a 10 ohm load on the cartridge, you can do one of three things,

-10,000 ohms on the secondary of a 31.6:1
-13 ohms on the primary and 47K on the secondary
-dispense with the SUT altogether and place 13R in parallel with the 47K input resistor.

In all three of these situations will draw the same current from the cartridge.

From the transformer perspective, the secondary load will draw more current through the transformer.

the total "source impedance" for whatever is downstream of the 47K resistor is (assuming a 2.5R cart):

Primary load has a source impedance of 2000 ohms
secondary load has a source Z of 2000 ohms
the No SUT has a souce Z of 2 ohms.

dave
OK Dave,
if you would have ever worked with an SUT you'd give me less of a hard time.

I might misread what you try to tell me -- but it sounds like: bumble bees can't fly i.e. must be due also to the: "first law of thermodynamics"...

Please forgive my lack of stamina with all this, at least nobody can say we haven't tried. I will also not ask for a job as physics teacher either, now that I have so miserably failed with such a basic matter as a step-up transformer.

I feel like Galileo must have during inquisition trial: and say it still works...

I'm out of thermodynamics right now.
Greetings,
Axel
PS: your missing thermodynamics come from the rotation of the platter, that imparts energy into the cart, that imparts energy into the coil, that imparts.... don't go ask me now about why the platter is turning, please.
If I have said anything technically incorrect i'll gladly accept corrections and apologize for errors I have made.

dave
Dear Axel and Dave: This dialogue was/is a learning one for me and I'm sure that for other people too, thank you to share your knowledge about.

What I confirm through it is that the SUT option in a non perfect world ( like the audio one. ) has several trade-offs and by my experience with commercial SUT's ( many too many to name it: from Expressive Technologies to the lowest AT model. ) no one till today can beat a good active gain design at least not the one I'm using ( but I heard other today active gain stages that are really good too. ).

Axel, I don't have any doubt that for what you already heard through SUTs your bias are on them against an active Phonlinepreamp but I wonder if you already experienced the " right " active gain devices.

Nothing is perfect ( SUT or active gain devices. ) but my " bias " ( till today ) is on active gain Phonolinepreamps, I like/prefer its trade-offs over the SUT ones. Maybe is time to make a SUT design journey, I can't say if it is worth to do it.

Anyway again thank's to both of you.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.