Graham Phantom vs. Phantom II


Hi, I own the Phantom and think about getting the Phantom II.
It is quite rare, but is someone out who did the change from one to the other?
When yes, may I ask, what do you think about the sonic differences. Some say there are none but I think from technical paper there are...

Thanks
128x128syntax
In general (.... I like this phrase...) a good TT should indeed be a good TT independent of the particular tonearm mounted.
In other words - the TT has to spin the record and should provide a stable base for the tonearm to be mounted.
If a TT designer chooses to built his entire design on a theoretical base which sees from the start problems with certain tonearm bearings, it is of course his choice.
I for one believe in designs, which are independent in their display of quality from certain design features of associated components which - first in line - do not have anything to do with the pure physical function of the TT itself.
There are similar demands in many respects to a high-class TT and the base of an electron microscope - both do deal with an isolation from outside vibration and both do need to supply most stable and continuos foundation for the performance of components mounted on them (cart/tonearm on one and electron-microscope on the other).
Yes, I know - the base of the microscope doesn't revolve with 33 1/3 rpm.....
Anyway - I guess this is a common place and something everyone (.... even if a general agreement might well be impossible in Audio society ...) can agree upon.
A TT trying to meet the pure mechanical demands resulting from the real world requirements to give the stylus the chance to extract each and every detail from the groove will always have some certain features.
It will be immensely heavy, suspended on below 1 hz frequency, sport a platter with relatively high mass (30 lbs ++) and thus can't come cheap.
Please note that I have not mentioned any bearing type or drive to be preferred.
These are pure mechanical requirements which do result direct out of the physical mass and the special behavior of the stylus and the record.

Back to the initial quest.
The Graham Phantom II is an extremely well designed tonearm.
While I am certainly not an admirer of unipivot tonearms, I have high regards for the Graham Phantom II.
An excellent basic design which features now many clever details which do further add to the excellent sonic performance and does so with a wide bandwidth of cartridges.

If I would today look for a new tonearm it would be one of my prime choices.
Dear Halcro, no.... a look in Syntax's line-up of past and present components does not tell the story. And it does not tell much about the veracity of his statements either.
He has a good hand in selling used components for insane prices and has an even better hand in getting to-die-for prices on very new units.
But - yes, he always wants to testify the toys in his own settings.
Thus he is giving little to nothing on 2nd hand experiences spread around widely.
He not even eats my advises and comments right away...... at least not always.
BTW - how's spring downunder ? We have a lousy autumn right now - cold, rainy, depressive - but great to switch on the music system !
We should try to take it not too serious. I dreamed about it, because I am sensitive and can't stand it when you don't love me anymore.I had a Dream,
there is Restaurant at the end of the universe.
But honestly, it is not a Restaurant, more a very unfriendly low pub, where only
fat, dark, bad smelling pieces of meat are served, with a glibber, awful looking sauce.

That's it. Nothing else. Always the same. Every Day.
And for drinking only warm Cherry Coke is available.
In this Restaurant at the end of the Universe all High Enders are taken prisoner, who
had a lot of sins in their regular life.

You will meet people, who rated the power of their amps once of more often in Horsepower, those who made a lot of money with cable- or
Rackvoodoo , those who hyped units which create Ear cancer when listening too long.
Or those who sold their inferior cheap made speakers to those unlucky enthusiasts who believed in reviews.

Btw. in that Restaurant you will find one or the other High End Journalist, too.

In this Restaurant you will hear day in, day out Chris de Burgh only, from Mini-Disc via a continuous
clipping Pre-/Amp combination linked to 6 way speakers with defect midrange chassis.
I had that dream last night and I have absolutely no idea what was real in that dream.

But I liked it very much.
Dear Daniel,

Bill (Audiofeil) replied to a statement made by Syntax with the following quote :-
"There is, of course, no best of any component and tonearms are no exception.
I have my favorites as well but hyperbole such as this should simply be ignored."

Bill has been a valued and witty contributor to these pages for many years and has openly added the caveat of his 'dealership' to any controversial topics.
Nevertheless I find his postings to usually be valuable, humourous, poignant and occasionally barbed (where warranted).

To be dismissed by Syntax because of his dealership status displays an arrogance and elitism which is unfortunately symptomatic of his postings in general.

I find the contributions of some Dealers, Manufacturers and Critics to be amongst the most valuable in these Forums as they give a viewpoint which we, the Consumers, simply do not have. Most of them also have a great deal more varied experiences of listening and equipment choices than the majority of us 'Punters'.
However the most salient point in all this is simply, as Bill points out, we all have our own opinions.
Opinions are not 'facts' and no amount of elitist postulation will make them so.

Syntax has been regaling this Forum for weeks about his adulation of the Graham Phantom arm and his sycophantic (almost amorous) language towards Bob Graham has become tiresome.
We get it. He loves the arm. Enough said.
Bill loves other arms and so do I but we don't attack others who might disagree with or question us?

Syntax is always quick to take offense and insult others with his snide and often obscure indirect remarks which may be a result of inappropriate translation from his mother tongue but he is a big boy Daniel and can defend himself adequately.
Your continual and swift rushing to defend and 'explain' his 'deep seriousness, humour and value' on almost every occasion in these Forums is doing more harm than good.
It resembles a protective mother duck thrusting herself forward before any harm may befall her beloved chicks?

Now for the important stuff........the sun is out in beautiful Sydney. I've just returned from a week in New York where I heard the Magico M5s driven by Soulution Pre and Power combination at Sound by Singer and I have new vinyl to listen to. Things are good.
I hope your winter is not such a bad one?
Regards
Henry