Allnic Verito Z:Owners and those familiar

Dear Gersimon: The cartrridge was not mine but of a friend and with more than 100 hours on it. I test it in two different tonearms with different headshells. It performs better in some than in others but the whole cartridge performance is ( like I posted ) nothing especial even for its price.

Now, IMHO how is that a cartridge designer ( with all respect ) build a cartridge with almost no voicing ( I have to assume this because of those troubles with the aluminum and the kind. ) where he detect the " wrong side " of the item?

Now, if I pay 2.8K for a cartridge that does not sound even decent till you find the ebony shims or the like then I have to pass.
Now, I will take every single effort in a cartridge that at the end can show its " marvelous " and great quality performance but IMHO this is not the case with this cartridge.

The music sound reproduction for me is something critical and serious as is for all of you and we all are customers and we have to ask for better and easy audio items.

Dear friend, do you want something like this: great and easy? that outperform any single cartridge named here? well there are some and one of that cartridge IMHO is this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bang-Olufsen-B-O-MMC1-MMC-1-Cartridge-RARE_W0QQitemZ120482629912QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0d530918#ht_500wt_1182

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Dear Mr. Raul,
Thank you for your "detailed" account; very interesting it is. However, it is so totally opposite to my experience (and others', as witnessed even on this thread) that I cannot imagine the particulars of the circumstances that have given rise to yours. Over the last year and a half, I have had the opportunity to hear the Verito (both versions) on a dozen different arms on almost as many turntables, with various phono stages, step-up transformers and cabling, and in comparison with many of the cartridges listed in this thread - my opinion stands. As for "voicing": compliance issues, Cartridge man's (and others') Isolator, different body materials on hundreds of different cartridges, not to mention impedance matching and gain issues, all bear witness to the fact that your comment, with respect, is without substantial foundation. Is there any other aspect of analogue reproduction that is as fraught with synergy issues as cartridge/headshell/tonearm/arm mounting/cabling/gain design, to mention a few? It's not so hard, after all, to make a 15K cartridge (or any other piece of audio gear) sound bad. I would also comment that Mr. Audiofeil, well known as a dealer, called the Verito "dull" - the polar opposite of what those Verito users who have had issues complain of. How inexplicable. I have heard several of the Zyxs in these different scenarios and do not own one of them, which is not to say they are "bad" by any means. There is no substitute for time, trial and error, educated guessing, careful listening and patience in this arena. I cannot account for your experience and commentary, but thank you for the additional information.
Regards,
Gerry

Tpsonic,

I agree with Gersimon with his pragmatic approach to an evaluation and his opinion of the Verito Z.
I have had a Verito Z for about six months and have compared it to a Dynavector XV1-s and used it on a Kuzma Stogi S arm and a Reed, and now will be putting it on a Kuzma 4-point. I do think it works best on higher mass tonearms. I find the Verito very natural and musical.

The post by Audiofeil calling this cart "dull" is laughable. The Verito is anything but that. If he sold Allnic it would be the best cart in the world.

And Raul, I have to call you on this, you say this cart is too much trouble to get right, and audio should be "simple". How many tables, with how many arms, and is it 19 carts in your system? Let me know what complicated is if your approach to audio is "simple".

With the right setup I have listened to Ron Carters "yellew and green", Cat people "soundtrack", Eric Clapton "unplugged", King Crimson "court of crimson king" and "larks tongue in aspic" Herbie Hancock, Ben Webster, Suzanne Vega, etc.etc. and heard tight true accoustic bass, tympanies, kick drums and crystal clear bells and cymbals, piano notes and vocals that are amazing.
I'm not saying that this cart is perfect but on alot of music with the right arm and setup it can be awesome. What cart is perfect for all music and all arms? Then we would all just have one cart and one arm and one table, right.

I think this cart is a good value and compares with carts costing much more. Remember let your ears do the deciding.

Thanks for the time,
Matt

Dear Matt: You are right audio is not " simple " and I don't mean in that plain sense but: imagine that you pay 2.8K ( big money ) for an audio item where no one knows that to perform good you have to add those ebony " devices " , I'm sorry but this is crazy.
You say you try a XV-1 well this cartridge perform good in almost any environment, yes it could perform better with some tonearms than with other ones but in general you almost always have a good performance. You don't have to be a " fortune-teller " to find out its real performance.

Now, many of you already put those 2.8K on it so you have to live with till you find something better or something that you like it better.

Now, I'm not questioning that you like it ( and other people too: owners. ) at the end of the day what I say is not important as certainly is what you say/think when you are who must live with.

It is always difficult not to have a controversy on subjects like the one here where exist so many different parameters/stages to make a statements on a cartridge ( any ), in this case more complex due to those singular " characteristics " for a good matching tonearm and build material on direct contact with the cartridge.

Anyway, I think that everyone of us are looking for the " best " sound reproduction performance through our analog rig and if you think that the Verito was the right way to achieve that's fine.

I add that for all of us, including Tom, this controversy can open " new " alternatives like the one I linked. Why we try with " new " cartrridges? why we buy new and different cartridges? what are we looking for with all those cartridge, tonearm or TT changes?: I assume a improvement in our system quality performance, well the Verito can't give me that desired improvement but the B&O in the link can and did in a wide manner.

Maybe I'm wrong but this is the way I " feel " and the way the audio experiences made my way of thinking.

I respect any single opinion in this forum and learn from any single one, this is part of my audio experiences.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

I have had two lengthy conversations with two different Allnic dealers.Both have had comparable experiences with the same cartridges that I have used in the past.Even discussing associated gear,we appear to be on the same page.They have stated that "if I were to compare this to a PC-1,I might find it less "refined".This I am willing to accept at 1/2 the cost.
I will be using this in the OL Encounter III,so I suspect that the "shim" might be required.Does anyone know if Allnic will supply these???
I had given Lloyd Walker a call on Friday.He said that he had the Verito there to audition.I will speak with him again on Monday and relay his comments.
I thank everyone for their contributions and I believe this cartridge is still in the running to fill the Ecos place in my system.