Are linear tracking arms better than pivoted arms?


My answer to this question is yes. Linear tracking arms trace the record exactly the way it was cut. Pivoted arms generally have two null points across the record and they are the only two points the geometry is correct. All other points on the record have a degree of error with pivoted arms. Linear tracking arms don't need anti-skating like pivoted arms do which is another plus for them.

Linear tracking arms take more skill to set up initially, but I feel they reward the owner with superior sound quality. I have owned and used a variety of pivoted arms over the years, but I feel that my ET-2 is superior sounding to all of them. You can set up a pivoted arm incorrectly and it will still play music. Linear tracking arms pretty much force you to have everything correct or else they will not play. Are they worth the fuss? I think so.
mepearson
03-14-10: Dertonarm
But by now I finally realize that I am only spoiling the party here.
Not at all, I think most of us(even linear-arm owners) see your contribution as refreshing, insightful, and highly educational. Nor do I think anyone disagrees with your mechanical and physical description of the forces at work within the two discussed tonearm designs.

I think some disagreement may stem from your patent rejection of the subjective listening experiences of others while offering up your own as law.

Compare these responses of yours:
03-10-10: Dertonarm
Individual - yet subjective empirical... - audiophile impressions versus mechanical laws.....

03-11-10: Dertonarm
You are referring to days long gone by while using a phrase abused today. However - long term subjective observations are always subjective.
Logic - isn't it ?
With this statement:
03-14-10: Dertonarm
Most linear trackers du built up a big, fat but soft and not really low bass which might sound fascinating with certain set-ups, but not if your woofers go really down and not if the set-up is able to provide air, freshness and color, speed and minute detail in the lower registers.
As of yet, we've had no convincing(non-subjective) proof that properly set up, modern, linear-tracking tonearms actually:
a) cause premature or excessive cartridge wear/damage,
b) cause increased distortion due to excessive lateral force to the cantilever/motor assembly.

I have no doubt you PERCEIVE a pivot's greater "speed, inner details, maximum dynamics and tight, hard punch...air, freshness and color, speed and minute detail in the lower registers" versus linear tonearms "big, fat but soft and not really low bass" in your(or all) systems, but as you so succinctly said above
long term subjective observations are always subjective.
Logic - isn't it ?
Now, if you have frequency response and waterfall decay charts or the response by the two(or more) different tonearm setups in your room with the same cartridge, that's an entirely different ball of wax, altogether.

Regardless, I hope you will continue to participate in this thread, as your responses are the type that help elevate such discussions above the subjective "tit for tat" so often found on forums.

I have sent an email to Jonathan Carr(of Lyra design fame) inviting him to offer his insight into cartridge design criterion and tolerances. Perhaps his insight can help illuminate other aspects of this discussion we've yet to delve into and clear up some others. I would love to hear from some other cart designers, too.
Hi Dertonarm,

Thank you for mentioning Mr. Carr's contributions to AudiogoN...I'll review them. I'm fascinated by the discussion of free body diagrams and force vectors that are germane to this topic :-)

Somewhat off topic, but I'm rather curious...have you listened to analogue reel-to-reel masters (or close to them)? The sound is/has the potential to be exquisite and the experience - revelatory!

Vbr,
Sam
03-14-10: C1ferrari
Somewhat off topic, but I'm rather curious...have you listened to analogue reel-to-reel masters (or close to them)? The sound is/has the potential to be exquisite and the experience - revelatory!
There are a few threads here in Audiogon's Analog forum dedicated to Reel To Reel playback"
1. Why Not Bring Back Analog, Reel to Reel Tape
2. Tape Project Tapes

And, Albert Porter who has participated in this thread has a discussion of his Ampex 351 Project

Do a search of the Analog forum for "reel to reel", there are a lot threads.
D-Mo,

Thanks, I've actually posted to 2/3 threads! I think Albert has his Studer A810 back in rotation and hope he gets it revved-up for my next visit!

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming...just playin' :-)

Vbr,
Sam
>>Tzed: Welcome to the monkey house. Perhaps we can team up and ask Phil for tips on setting up our Southers.<<

Happy to take questions. -Phil