A new TT from Steve Dobbins,"The Beat." ???

Mepearson, i have 2 different Classic Records 'Tommy's and the MCA, and another 3 or 4 other various pressings. the 'Simply Vinyl' pressing had a much larger soundstage and the bottom is fuller and more impactful than any of the others.

i try to spread out my listening to this Lp so i don't get tired of it; but i seem to come back to it often. why can't they make music like that any more?

MikeL-I too love the Tommy album-it is a timeless classic. I hope I hear that bass punch you referred to in the Overture. I don't think it exists on the other pressings (Track, Decca, and MCA). Do you have a copy of "Won't get fooled again" on MCA? At the end of Going Mobile, there is a really low bass note which sounds pretty impressive.

If you are a fan of the Who, you need to hear Pete Townsend playing acoustic guitar and singing Pinball Wizard live. To my knowledge, it is only available on the Secret Policeman's Ball LP. This live version of Pinball Wizard with just Pete Townsend playing acoustic guitar and singing is crazy good. I am surprised my copy isn't worn to a frazzle but it still sounds great.

Kftool,
The platter of the DN-308, as is, unfortunately rings like a bell. It is the same
design as was on the DP-6000 which was replaced by the double-platter
construction of the DP-80. It is well worth treating I expect (I have not done
mine) and could be worth completely replacing IF you could replicate the
magnetic encoding on the platter which allows for the magnetic pulse speed
check. If the motor is the same AU-169 unit which goes on the DP-100 (and
I cannot be sure but I will give the Denon service guys a call today), then
there is plenty of overhead for a bigger platter though you might have to tune
torque application part of the speed control circuit to "load" it for
a different platter inertia. The DP-100 platter is 6.5kg. Assuming the motor
is the same, the motor would have a built-in suspension (the main spindle is
supported on an "oil cup" cushion above the stator). As for
vibrations, the DP-80 and DP-100 literature suggests that most of the
vibration which is defeated through the double-platter construction is borne
through the frame/spindle/bearing though the DP-80 makes some claim to
its construction lessening 'howling margin' (which is Japanese for
airborne/speaker-induced vibration) which would suggest the DP-100 does
too. In any case, the platter construction benefits of DP-80 vs DP-6000 are
apparent.

One could conceivably build that onto the DN-308 platter through a retrofit
of a spring-leaf system for the platter (If one made it too tall, one would have
to make it ultra tall and cover the spindle too with a new one). I can send
cutaway pics of the DP-80 method and the DP-100 method (which involves
oil-damping wells within the sub-platter to dampen vibrations borne to the
upper platter) if you want.

In any case, I too am curious about what Steve Dobbins has done with the
separation of motor and bearing. As long as tolerances are tight, I would see
no reason why the motor and bearing have to be physically directly-
connected other than that eventually they sit on the same platform. That said,
I don't think I am about to build one DIY...

Hi T bone,

I'll attempt to address your points one at a time.

First off, the platter does, did ring like a bell. I threw out the flimsy rubber matt and ordered a new nickel plated copper, plastic platter from TT Weights. It came with their best peripheral clamp ring and heaviest brass center weight. I ordered it when Larry had just sent a prototype to Mikey for evaluation and that new design is what I got. Right now it's sitting on the base platter on the 308.

Not only did the platter ring but the 2 inch particle board plinth transmits every finger tap. Since the 308 was meant for playback of master discs at studios it was listen to on headphones, as loudspeakers had an effect on playback of master discs; from what I understand this was, or is, standard practice in studios. The dp 100, on the other hand was designed for use at radio stations and was fitted with a large spring suspension system; supposedly the biggest difference between the 100 and 308 but I may be wrong. In any cas the plinth, as it stands now, will have to go.

I don't know if it will be necessary to replace the platter with the encoding ring as I don't see how I could do any better than just laminating another layer to the existing platter but that point is up for discussion.

I tried to reach a tech at Denon Pro and got no place as they are separate from Denon America so you may have an in that could help. Since there were less than 100 of the 308s made and not many more of the 100s I would think they use the same motor and just tweaked it electronically, as you suggested to re adjust for a different torque application.

I would appreciate it if you could send a cut away and,or, any other information on the table as I have no manual and could not get one after I bought the table.

Last night I spent a good deal of time on the phone with Steve Dobbins. He was very gracious and is a true gentleman.

I began by asking him about his new tt," The Beat." His knowledge regarding direct drive TTs was obvious as he referred to the many facets involving the design of a direct drive table. He owns around 60 direct drive tables and has done quite a study of the best and worst designs that came down the pike. It sounds like his new table will be a killer with the design innovations he's incorporated.

I finally got around to asking about his custom platters for the Garrard 301 and the few other tables he's tweaked. It was my hope that someday he may apply what he's learned about platter mods and that may lead to an upgrade for my 308. Steve said his plate was full with his present projects but said since he felt the motor on the 308 was as good as any direct drive motor ever made, he may entertain an upgrade platter for my table in the future.

I first saw the 308, I now own, advertised on Audiogon a few years ago. It was impressive looking and I thought expensive for a vintage DD table. It was up for sale for a month and I noticed it didn't sell. A year or so later I saw it up again. This time it sported a cabinet that was redone with rosewood veneer and the price was the same. Peter of PBN Audio owned it and we were friends, so I called him. He told me about the table and what he did to the aged cabinet. After seeing a few pictures of the table in general and the motor and veneering he did it was on it's way from California to Va. The table is impeccable as was the shipping crate he built for it . One could've shipped a newborn baby across the country in it without a scratch.

Dr Howard Stern, the fearless leader of the Richmond Audio Society, hosts the unofficial website of the Kenwood L-07d direct drive TT. He does upgrades for folks that ship him tables from the four corners of the world. Howard has four tables up and running in his system and it didn't take too long for me to convince myself to try a DD table. When the 308 became available again I didn't wait to think about it.

Since there is no law in Audio that limits a guy to just one table I figured it would be a Christmas present to myself for the year 2021, I've done this before!

Ken

Ken, I keep forgetting that we are near neighbors. We should get together for a dd fest one of these days. Lets make email contact. Howard serviced my L07D and it is now in use. SP10 Mk3 will soon follow.

Interesting thing about the L07D is that Kenwood planned for increasing platter mass by providing a switch on the PS that alters the servo when one is using the optional peripheral ring and center weight. In addition, there was an optional ceramic mat that added yet another 1.4 lbs. Someone else calculated that the servo and motor will take up to 21 lbs of platter mass.