Schroder sq and the new talea

Hey Ralph, did you see that nice example of your MP-1 that listed yesterday at $7500? Gone now, but I have to tell you if I wasn't hopelessly in love with my own pre I would have jumped at that. Matched witn that LAMM 1.1 hybrid monos that just listed and for @$15K combined you'd have one nice rig (I know, but OTLS have too many fire-bottles for me...this is no comment on tube reliability, just my trauma peering out from a Jadis Defy experience years ago).

Dear friends: Very interesting thread with so many " angles " touched and till now IMHO no precise unanimous conclusions.

Even that and thinking on the universal tonearm I think Dertonarm put the " finger where it hurts " when posted:

+++++ " The market NEVER asks for a perfect solution. " ++++

as a fact IMHO almost no one cares about and does not cares because poor knowledge on the subject, no money to buy a " perfect " high price audio items or simply because he is not looking for any more but what already had/has.

The level of satisfaction in audio in many people is really poor, many people even with high price audio systems that performs " so so " are satisfied with because its music/sound knowledge is low and they can't ask for more.

I posted several times that we read magazines audio reviews that raven very high very poor designed audio items and the worst is that not only reviewers but the more important part in the audio market: customers that raven too very poor designed audio items with poor quality performance but where customers are " satisfied ".

If the audio customers applaud an audio item that shows mediocrity: which is the message to that audio item designer/builder for future designs? when he already knows that the customers are satisfied with his poor design and are ready to pay/paid high $$$$ for those products.

As a high end customers almost all of us IMHO are a " shame of customers ", we have what we ask for that we " win " to deserve it.

How can we wait that almost all audio items designers ( there are exceptions. that already did and do it ) can give us better near " perfect " audio items designs if we are not asking for or we are not prepare for because our low knowledge and poor satisfaction level?

I'm sure that if we customers improve on the whole subject and reject poor audio items designs then the audio high end not only improve but could grow up faster in benefit of all of us.

I know that some audio items designers could give us a lot better designs: tonearms, cartridges, electronics, TT, etc, etc., but why to take the effort to achieve that? whom really cares? whom is/are asking for?: ALMOST NO ONE!!!!

That's why the audio high end IMHO is in many ways motionless/standing with no real hope to " keep walking " again. There are exceptions and these " rare " exceptions only confirm the " rule ".

It is a shame but at the same time very sad that like in this thread instead to talk on the " evolution/revolution " characteristics of an audio item we are talking on a similar items of what already found in the audio market ( for years ) and talk on philosophy subjects instead that " revolutionary " audio item like could be a " universal tonearm " for example.

In this thread we are thinking only that in the 2011 RMAF could be ashootout between the MK2 or MK 3 versions of the today tonearms instead to think to find out in that time not only new tonearms but " universal " tonearms: this IMHO is what we customers could be thinking about. Come on!, wake up!!!!

Anyway, good fun thread.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

It's not often that I laugh out loud at something in an audio forum, but Audiofeil's comment made me do just that.

Until his suggestion that this thread might just be a bad dream, I had my own philosophical quandary. What's worse: having so much time on my hands that I write long psuedo-philosophical diatribes about tonearms or taking the time to read them. I don't know the answer.

This has got to be THE most impenetrable and peripatetic (no deliberate acknowledgment/value-quality assigned to Senor "A" via this referent) thread I've encountered on A'goN...Haha :-)

I can only tell between Talea first version and DaVinci Grandezza Reference 12", with the TW Raven AC using the same Dynavector XV1S. Talea is better in everyway period.