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Schroder sq and the new talea

I heard there was to be a fun time of learning and comparing of these two arms at the rmaf. Since the talea is relatively new, it still has to stand the test of time with comparisons on other tables, other systems and the selective and subjective tastes of discerning audiophiles! There is to be a comparison in one of the rooms at the rmaf this year, which i wasnt able to make. I would be curious to hear some judicial, diplomatic, friendly talk about how they compared to each other in the same system and room. I currently own the origin live silver mk3 with a jan allaerts mc1bmk2 and am enjoying this combo but have become curious about the more popular "superarms" Hats off to both frank and joel.

I hope this thread draws more light rather than heat. If someone preferred one arm over the other it would be OK. With all the variables it doesnt mean that much to me. What matters to me is what it sounds like to me and in my room. With that said...

What was your bias? was it for the schroder or the talea?

cheers!...
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t_bone
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All right all, on three....

"HI BOB!!!"
lewm
13,108 posts
 
So here's an interesting question, raised by Halcro's comment: The XV1-s and the ZYX Universe are very similar, in that they are both low compliance, low-ish output MCs. What property would cause one of them to sound very much better in the Grandezza compared to the other? Without ever having owned either, I am guessing that the Dynavector body may weigh much more than that of the ZYX; is that the case?
jazdoc
365 posts
 
Sebastian's and Halcro's comments are interesting.

I've heard the older generation XV1-s and the ZYX on the Talea and Triplanar VIIu and it was no comparison: the XV1-s was much better.

I have also compared the older generation XV1-s and the A90 and although a much closer call, I prefer the A90.

Unfortunately, haven't had the chance to compare the current XV1-s and the A90...suspect that one might come down to personal taste.
lewm
13,108 posts
 
Jazdoc, Your first sentence almost made me laugh. I thought you were going to comment on the respective tonearms. Instead you commented on the cartridges. (Surprise is the core of humor.) I think Halcro was talking about tonearm/cartridge matching, not about the relative merits of the two cartridges, but that is for him to say. Did you also come away with a "feeling" about Triplanar vs Talea?
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rauliruegas
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Dear Sebastian: +++++ " using the same Dynavector XV1S. Talea is better in everyway period. " +++++

IMHO that does not means that the Talea is better but only that the XV-1s is a better match with that tonearm than with the DaVinci one.

Halcro and Lewm point out too of this important match tonearm/cartridge subject.

A diferent cartridge could perform better in the Grandezza than in the Talea and not for this fact we can say for sure that the Grandezza is " better in everyway " than the Talea.

Tonearm and cartridge are not two audio items but one audio item with a extremely intimate relationship to brings togeter a quality performance level.

This example tell us a lot why is so dificult to find out/design a universal tonearm where any cartridge can shows at its best and not in other tonearm.

The tonearm/cartridge relationship and how the resonances in between take " action " to tame the overall quality performance of any tonearm/cartridge combination is very complex, hard to understand due that there is no scientific tests on the subject and hard to predict in our today status.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.
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