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Schroder sq and the new talea

I heard there was to be a fun time of learning and comparing of these two arms at the rmaf. Since the talea is relatively new, it still has to stand the test of time with comparisons on other tables, other systems and the selective and subjective tastes of discerning audiophiles! There is to be a comparison in one of the rooms at the rmaf this year, which i wasnt able to make. I would be curious to hear some judicial, diplomatic, friendly talk about how they compared to each other in the same system and room. I currently own the origin live silver mk3 with a jan allaerts mc1bmk2 and am enjoying this combo but have become curious about the more popular "superarms" Hats off to both frank and joel.

I hope this thread draws more light rather than heat. If someone preferred one arm over the other it would be OK. With all the variables it doesnt mean that much to me. What matters to me is what it sounds like to me and in my room. With that said...

What was your bias? was it for the schroder or the talea?

cheers!...
vertigo
lewm
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I am really sorry I did not stay long enough to hear the Basie LPs. I am very familiar with that music and that session and might have gotten a better idea about what was going on with the tonearms. Prior to that, and up to the time I retreated to Steve Dobbins' room, none of the musical selections were my "cup of tea", so to speak. Mike, the Beat is fabulous and delicious; I am envious.
cousinbillyl
190 posts
 
OK tonearm guru's.

Help. My Talea ll is on it's way. I have an Allnic Puritas on loan. 11 gram weight. 18 ohm impedence.

Ralph, what did you mean by changing effective mass by repositioning the three seperate weights on the Triplanar?. Is there something I need to know to get the best out of the Talea/Puritas combo?. It appears to me that the weight of 11 grams for the cart is on the high side?.

Mike, any advice on setup?.

Anyone else may also lend a hand.

Will a 100 Ohm impedence on my Atma-Sphere MP-1 pre be too low for a cart with an 18 Ohm internal impedence?.

So many questions, so little listening time.
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thom_at_galibier_design
729 posts
 
Bill,

You need to experiment with your MP-1 loading. I've run as high as wide open (47K - no loading resistors) with an XV-1s. On other phono stages with the XV-1s, I've run as low as 35 ohms.

Tri-Planars, Moerchs, Taleas, and a few other arms come with multiple counterweights.

If you use a heavier combination of weights, closer to the bearing pivot (adjusting for desired tracking force), you'll have a lower effective mass than by using a lighter weight combination located farther from the pivot.

Listen for bass tonality, and adjust accordingly.

Lastly, your dealer should be able to guide you through this. If they don't know the answer, then I'd contact Joel Durand so that he can educate them.

Trust your ears.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
mikelavigne
2,200 posts
 
Will a 100 Ohm impedence on my Atma-Sphere MP-1 pre be too low for a cart with an 18 Ohm internal impedence?.

when Steve Dobbins was in my room recently he set up the Allnic Puritas on the Reed. i cannot remember the VTF he used but it was still breaking in. you could e-mail him.

vetterone@msn.com

we tried 30k but preferred 47k thru the new Allnic H3000 phono stage. it sounded terrific and only had 5 hours on it.

i'm very likely going to take Steve up on his offer to work out a trade of the Puritas with one of my A90's. the puritas was a very fine cartridge.
dan_ed
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HI Cus',

the XV-1s weighs 12.6 grams so your cart should work fine on the Talea.

Don't worry too much about tweaking and such in the beginning, just follow the manual. The Talea will allow your cartridge to sing right out of the box. As you get used to the features you'll be able to decide what to do.
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