A Copernican View of the Turntable System

Raul,
Your last post is spot on IMO!!! I agree about there being much better sources for music reproduction. As dearly as we love our LP's, there are many imperfections in this medium regardless of the value of the source. For me, the big draw, other than the sound of vinyl, is the involment that I have with trying to perfect the sound to my liking. The endless fine tuning and experimenting trying to squeeze out the extra performance is very rewarding to me. For some reason, plopping the CD in the Ayon CD07 and listening isn't near as involving. Don't get me wrong, I'm very pleased with my digital source, just a little more disconnected than my LP's. I do have many CD's and LP's that are the same and I do compare them at times as a referance.

I always enjoy your post's Raul, you're a wealth of info and I always appreciate your oppinions. This time you're confiming what my ears have always heard.

Dear Raul, may I invite you to Munich. If you listen to a real Master Tape (very well recorded) played back by a Studer C37 and you do not change your opinion on TAPES you can select any item from my collection and take it home. Is this a word?

all the nice HiRez Digital recordings presented at CES 2011 sounded excellent but they are missing the warmth and the deep musicality of a Master Tape.

Well Raul,
You've finally managed to shock me.
Digital better than analogue....coming from the very person on this Forum who could rightly be called the 'Analogue King'?.......or so I thought?

I think there may be some people on this planet who are genetically or congenitally afflicted with a sub-conscious 'trigger' to digital sound.
I know that for me and my good friend Richard, we are physically unable to critically listen to digital for longer than about half an hour without our bodies internally tightening and our brains dreaming of another pursuit.
This was the case 30 years ago and is still applicable today.
Others of course suffer from no such handicap and I envy them.
Were I similarly blessed, I wonder if indeed I would suffer through the traumas associated with analogue?

Be that as it may, I disagree with you emphatically about the inaccuracies/distortions/noise inherent in the vinyl playback process.
For 25 years my humble $375 Rega Planar 3/Hadcock GH228 easily outclassed any CD player I heard in comparison.

As for your confession on Master Tapes?.............I'm sure you had one too many Tequilas before writing this?
It makes no sense on so many levels that I don't know where to begin unless you simply meant Master Tape 'Copies' played on domestic tape decks?

If what you say is true?............why in fact are you wasting so much time and energy in testing cartridges and headshells?
Why are you not contributing many more posts in the Digital Forums?

Dear Raul, my faith in your ears has been significantly diminished :-(

Dear Thuchan: I'm just waiting for the flight ticket!

You know that that will be a pleasure, thank's for your invitation even if I return with out any of your items!

Oh! that famous " warmth " on RTR and LPs. I always wonder why normally I can't heard it in a live events ( near field. ).

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Dear Halcro: ++++++ " I disagree with you emphatically about the inaccuracies/distortions/noise inherent in the vinyl playback process. " ++++++

come on Halcro, in your other thread you posted we ( you and me ) agree on the same and there between other things we talk about so many " compromises " that the analog rig/Lps has.
Please you can't tell me that the RIAA equalization is an accurate process where the LP recording pass through not only one time but twice!, you can't deny the high noise that produce a phono stage trying to amplify the signal of a LOMC cartridge and the distortions due to a mistmatch loading impedance on that cartridge or loading capacitance and impedance in a MM/MI cartridge, you can't deny all the additional distortions that contribute each one of us cartridge/tonearm tiny " deviations " from a perfect cartridge/tonearm overall set up, you can't deny the " errors " that comes with cartridges like: non centered cantilevers and not centered stylus in the cantilever or the different output level in cartridge channels and of course all the mistakes on the LP production/matering process or even the un-centered LP.
You know I can go on and on on all those inacuracies/distortions/noise that unfortunately are part of the LP music enjoyment.
As I posted: I can't understand why we love so much!

The digital source or RTR have a lot less inacuracies/distortions and noise level. Halcro, this IMHO is a fact and are facts where I can't see how you can argue against it.

On RTR subject I never posted I was hearing Master Tapes but anyway I'm not against Master Tapes.

+++++ " why in fact are you wasting so much time and energy in testing cartridges and headshells? " ++++

easy, as you I love to hear/listen my LPs.

+++++ " Why are you not contributing many more posts in the Digital Forums? " +++++

maybe it's time to do it and learn about.

Now, what you are hearing on analog or digital is different from what I'm hearing today, I mean at resolution level. Please read this and especially the end part of the thread where I posted some thoughts/experiences on the digital source:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1286160563&openmine&zzRauliruegas&4&5#Rauliruegas

I was not different from you of what I thinked about digital source till those system changes. For some reasons that I can't explain for sure system distortions affect more the digital medium than the LPs ones maybe because the higher distortions in the Lp medium it self I don't know. What I know is that today I really enjoy the digital source and not only the Hres DVDA/SACD but redbook too.

I'm not saying and not posted that the digital medium is superior to LPs or that is a perfect medium but IMHO is very good and well recorded digital software is something any one can enjoy as much as the Lps ones with the right set up.

For me the time to diminish the digital source already pass on and in my case I'm happy with because it is a " new " alternative to enjoy music.

+++++ " my faith in your ears has been significantly diminished .. " ++++++

well, sorry to hear that but I still trust in my audio/music skills where my ears are part of it as are all my first hand experiences.
In the other side I still trust in your ears.

Regards and enjoiy the music,
raul.