A Copernican View of the Turntable System


Once again this site rejects my long posting so I need to post it via this link to my 'Systems' page
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Dear Halcrop: Not big deal. A design mistake in the Raven means only that but I think that's not the rule. I just checked ( because your post ) my two AS that use three arm boards each one cantilevered type atached at the down plate of the plinth: all six arm boards are leveled with the platter and plinth and the motor too.

The Lewm statement about in theory is absolute right, things are is that our ears can't perceive any " error/distortions " with our stand alone arm board/towers. Such is life.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
Dear Raul,
You're lucky...........But as Syntax says........intelligent design and precision should eliminate the need for 'luck' in our systems?....don't you think?
Regards
Henry
03-06-13: Peterayer
Syntax, I presume that digital level also reads 0.0, 0.0 while it rests on the platter.

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Like Halcro wisely wrote, we do not need luck, we need someone who does something right.....btw. did you ever check the Pulleys from the super-duper VPI TNT motor .... but I think, the unlevel Armboards from the Raven are the compensation for the unstable motor management.....it is a design feature
Dear Halcro: Agree. Btw, the problem with the MS 5000/8000 is that the cantilevered arm boards came with a screw to fix it and there there is a " play/loose " between the arm board hold hole and the tube where the arm board be fix it and if the owner don't check how the arm board was fix it chances are that is out of platter level. Micro Seiki is IMHO a bad TT design, I don't use it any more but other people " die for it ". Such is life.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
Dear Henry, I just stumbled upon this revival of your interesting thread. I think in your post of March 6 you have accomplished a well known rhetorical ploy; you've raised a "red herring". My argument (and Dover's) was never primarily about plane parallel mounting of tonearm with respect to the platter surface, although I would never argue that this is not important. My argument for a fixed relationship and a physical connection between the tonearm base and the turntable bearing assembly had mostly to do with preventing motion of one relative to the other in response to external or internal sources of vibrational energy. One wants the combined structure to dissipate mechanical energy as a unit. My metaphor about trying to cut a diamond resting in a rowboat whilst sitting in a second rowboat vs performing the same task while having the whole operation in one boat (easier, obviously) was meant to illustrate the point. That's the "bad thing" that I fear could come into play when a tonearm is mounted on an entirely separate support system and dissociated from the platter/bearing. Disparate vibrations of the platter vs the tonearm generate spurious signals from the cartridge.

I would also posit that the problem of "parallelism" (for want of a better single phrase) exists for both types of systems. A less than astute user of an outboard arm pod could screw up the parallel relationship between tonearm bearings and LP surface even moreso than could a poorly executed turntable design. As someone else with a lot of experience in tonearm design once remarked regarding azimuth adjustable tonearms, having the capacity to adjust azimuth endows one with the capacity to really mess up azimuth adjustment, as well as to get it right.