What defines a high compliance cartridge vs low


This question has two parts and derives from the recent tone arm thread.
What do you think is a highly complant cartridge specification? What would be a low or resistant compliance figure? Where does one draw the line in terms of the specs provided?
Knowing that tone arm mass and compliance are important considerations for optimal performance, then what formula, or ratio do you use for optimal tone arm mass for a given compliance? Or Vice Versa?
mechans
High compliance in the old days was 50 or better. These days I would say anything over 25 would be high. Under ten would be low. There is no absolute standard and as you see it changes with time. The relationship between arm mass and cartridge compliance will determine the resonance of the combination. I have usually seen figures between 10 and 20 Hz given as desirable. Too low to interfere with musical signal and too high to cause low frequency problems. The formula for determining resonance frequency is on Vinyl Engine in a far more complete form than I could attempt here. I have noticed that many on here pay little attention to it, using fairly high compliance MM cartridges in quite heavy arm or low compliance MCs in lower mass arms so they should be taken as guidelines rather than commandments.
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Stanwal, Viridian,
Thank you both. this is a long reply It boils down to this.
Is the Music Hall MMF-5 packaged arm/cartride poorly thought out or just poor stuff?
I hope and think that the cartridges that came with my tables both on the low end of "high end". Were both matched well with it's tone arm. But there is a problem.
One is a Music Hall MMF-5 with the Goldring MM cartridge 1042 . It doesn't sound even remotely as fantastic as as my other table. The phono for the MMF-5 is a lttle known but reportedly very good Australian RedGum am SS with dips which I set by sound not by impedance load issue. it should be the best sounding correct?? Then onto a Jadis DA-60 with rolled rubes. It drives VS VR2s. The room is well damped and sounds good with othert sources digital linear 120 CD player and an analog Sansui TU 717 tuner or a refurbed Sherwood all tube S-3000. There appears to be little flexibility except changing carts i.e. It has no arm board.
The second is a standard VPI package. It is a Scout That was set up in the factory and slightly adjusted by the dealer . It has JMW 9 arm with Dynevector 20X HO into Graham Slee Graham Amp 2SE into a upgraded AE-3 by AES then into a pair of Opera Consonance Cyber 800 monoblocks driving JM Focal Electra 936s. Tweaked with excellent tubes etc. I left out cabling intentionally.
The sound is absolutley stupendous to me utterly fabulous, without using audio descriptors it is Nirvana and see no real need to upgrade this system except for minor tweaks.
The room is big and less well damped.
So what can I do about Music Halls selection of arm and cartridge. It is quote a musical sound which is pleasant but I will confess my sins I like the the "wow" or damn that sounds good factor. Is that cart a POS? I know it costs about a quarter of the VPI. What compliance for the replacement would give me detail clarity and wow. The rest of the gear as you see is fairly good stuff.
The tubes alone are very special and an investment, an Octet or GL reissue kt-88s 3 12au7s which are 7316s 1960,
and a pair of 12ax 7 rolled to triple mica blackplate Sylvania 5751s. All tested by me and are good except the Octect whic came from Jim McShane.
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Virian,
The mods were done for me by my friend Vytas Viesulas. He is the engineer behind. The $15,000 Veloce Battery power preamp and he is now working with an actual employee.
You can try to reach him through their website. He patterned the mod to make it a " DJH Signature" except with SS rectification I think.
The mods were mainly expensive Blackgates and Mundorf caps, and better fast acting slow recovery Hexfreds.
He romved an extra unused circuit (wire that accomplished nothing) and used audiophile wire through out.
The strangest thing was that we were both afraid it would change the great sound. When he came to deliver it. The outcome was that it's remarkable sonics were just as good even without breakin. I can't say it was better than the great preamp before mods. How do make a great thing better.
I am truly surprised that they stopped making them. They get bought in one day. If you pony up $1200 Upscale Audio has some souped up brand new ones.
The critical point with this pre is that it needs good 6SN7s which is actually why I bought it. I wanted a pre that used 6SN7s because I had a large collection. It is in the gain stage, sp I can hear the drifferences in their sound. Even though I had tubes that tested NOS or ANOS, I found that many were quite microphonic or noisy.
If you buy yours from Kevin Deal at Upscale, he also has quite a large collection of tested tubes for importantly microphonics.
I own many 6SN7s and the winner is.... the Brimar 6SN7GTY CV1988. The sad new is I couldn't make up . So I chose some Metal based Sylvania 6SN7Ws. Kevin may have the commercial version of it which I also have and is as good or better but they are NIB and really NOS.
I don't want to use them up until I can get another pair. They have the Chrome about 1/2 to 2/3 down "the Chrome Dome." It is a very early version marked as a 6SN7 not even GT ans Sylvania on the black base.
I bought my AE-3 used for $350, the tubes are valued for more. I think original was $500 or so. It was 4-5 years old and I paid 70% and was happy to get it.
Good luck
Disclamer As always I get nothing from any merchant I mention No other conflict of interest