Uni-Protractor Set tonearm alignment

Dear Lewm, and this is exactly what the UNI-Protractor does ... ;-) ...
Seriously, the UNI-Protractor works in exactly the very same way as the Dennesen, - which I have worked with for 25 years.
This discussion started by the reviews of the uNI-Pro by Downunder and Halcro was about the actual measurement of the spindle to pivot (i.e. mounting distance or P2S) distance which is not incorporated into the UNI-Protractor's design.
In the UNI-Protractor's set a stainless steel metric ruler with 0.5mm scale was included as a handy tool for the owner to check the P2S if one is curious. This however raised the question why it wasn't incorporated into the positioning arm - just like in several other templates on the market. This of course can't be an option due to geometrical reasons.
Originally I had in mind a super-precise P2S measurement device as a stand alone tool. To me mounting distance was rather a different topic as alignment and a pre-determined condition on most turntables anyway. As the UNI-Pro - just as the Dennesen to Baerwald IEC (Löfgren A IEC) - aligns to a certain geometry independently of the mounting distance, I originally saw no need for measuring the mounting distance (P2S). Some owners of the UNI-Pro did however find this to be the one shortcoming and thus I want to address the issue with an optional P2S-tool which can be incorporated into the UNI-Pro at wish.
It will now come as a relatively inexpensive add-on which can also be used as a stand alone instrument.
An option like the UNI-Scope - not mandatory at all for perfect function nor alignment with the UNI-Pro.
Cheers,
D.

Finally had time to try Dertonarm's VPI template. It is very close the VPI jig. The stylus hit the stylus mark on the template exactly. I saw it was canted slightly with the stylus end of the cantilever closer to the spindle. I made the adjustment and am listening now. The cartridge is the Grado Statement1 on a VPI 10.5i arm. The LP is John McLaughlin's Extrapolation.

Compared to the VPI, the music sounds more open and the individual instrument's are more clear in the stereo mix.

I don't have any idea what Daniel's VPI template is based on but it sure sounds good. This is the setup I will be using with my VPI table. Thanks, Daniel. The only wish I have is to have an easier way to find the exact center of the pivot. I found the regular pin easier to "see" the center of the pivot than the reticule.

Overall, I am quite happy with the Uni-Pro. The led light is very useful and the setup makes it very easy to see the cantilever.

Dear Jazzgene, thank you for your impressions.
In the 2nd production run we will produce too a different version of the round reticle with black cross-hairs.
It will be much easier to read when spotting silver colored bearing houses.
This is available as an option side by side with the white engraved reticle that come with the UNI-Protractor ( which in contrary is easier to read on black tonearms).
Cheers,
D.

As an aside:

Halcro,

you asked (16th April):

although something tells me that whilst the UNIprotractor 'arm' is not centred on the Spindle, there might be some mathematical formula which, when the micrometer is wound down to its minimum position, could still be used to check Spindle to Pivot dimensions?

I don't know how the device works, how it differs from the Dennesen, or what the various fine adjustment features are, but presumably they allow the device to be set up for Baerwald IEC nulls, (and whatever other nulls are supplied).

If the principle is Dennesen, which it appears to be, then arm mounting distance (pivot to spindle distance) can be obtained by finding two dimensions:

First:
The distance to the arm pivot as measured along the axis of the perspex arm from the point where the null radius crosses it.
Call this X.

Second:
The distance from the centre of the spindle along the null radius to the centre line of the perspex arm that terminates on the arm pivot.

This distance varies depending on the alignment, and must adjust for each, but you don't have to measure it if the device can be set for Baerwald IEC as it is given by:

Outer null minus Inner null, then divide by 2,
Call this Y.

(For Baerwald IEC this is 27.45. If the device is set for another alignment, then the same calculation applies with the appropriate nulls.)

This gives a right angled triangle, so the mounting distance is given by:

the square root of: X squared plus Y squared.

This applies to the Dennesen also, of course, but only for the Baerwald alignment for which it is set up, unless modified.

The accuracy of the method depends on how well you can measure the distance along the perspex arm to the pivot.

It does beg the question, though, of why one would need to know the mounting distance, as the Dennesen principle allows correct alignment with any existing and unknown mounting distance. If the distance has been set wrongly for a particular arm, this would be corrected (for a slotted headshell) by adjusting the effective length and cartridge offset (assuming enough adjustment) to match the null on the protractor.
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It does beg the question, though, of why one would need to know the mounting distance, as the Dennesen principle allows correct alignment with any existing and unknown mounting distance. If the distance has been set wrongly for a particular arm, this would be corrected (for a slotted headshell) by adjusting the effective length and cartridge offset (assuming enough adjustment) to match the null on the protractor.

Thanks for that explanation John.
Then the Feikert alignment tool works on a different principle where Spindle to Pivot distance and Overhang are critical to achieving correct geometry? Is that correct?