Vintage DD turntables. Are we living dangerously?


I have just acquired a 32 year old JVC/Victor TT-101 DD turntable after having its lesser brother, the TT-81 for the last year.
TT-101
This is one of the great DD designs made at a time when the giant Japanese electronics companies like Technics, Denon, JVC/Victor and Pioneer could pour millions of dollars into 'flagship' models to 'enhance' their lower range models which often sold in the millions.
Because of their complexity however.......if they malfunction.....parts are 'unobtanium'....and they often cannot be repaired.
128x128halcro
You accept without question that a stylus can slow a 22kg platter.
Untrue.....I never accepted this fact until proven to me by the Timeline.
And I still find it hard to believe......
Your calculations are frankly nonsense IMHO.
Simply provide the evidence....
Even the Greeks 2500 years ago could easily set up an experiment using tensioned string to prove your theory.
Stop waffling and simply prove what you say using the dozens of methods available to real scientists today.
If you can't or won't, it would seem reasonable to keep your imagined beliefs a well protected secret...🙈
Richardkrebs,
A powerful motor doesn't validate your conclusion. It does bring the platter back to speed quickly. You assume a 100% torque conversion between motor and platter. All that happened was the transmission (string) slipped for a moment.

Once again, stylus drag is a bit of friction not some powerful force. That is, unless you're talking about Super Drag which can bend steel and leap tall buildings in a single bound.
BTW are you related to Maynard G ?

Regards,
Henry, Just for the record, I stated long ago that while I would agree with the hypothetical aspects of Richard's analysis, I do not and did not think your pods were in fact being moved by stylus drag, but like you say, it is a question open to experimentation.

I performed the analysis of thermal expansion using F degrees and inches. (By the way, I left out a minus sign on the exponent; the coefficient is 1.3 X 10^-6.) By this analysis, an alu bar that is 9 inches long at 68 degrees F (roughly the pivot to spindle distance of an L07D) would expand to 9.000468 inches at 72 degrees F. The expansion of .000468 inches is equal to .0119 mm. This is less than insignificant, even if the construction of the L07D were to be of pure alu, which is not the case (see above). So let's put that to rest, just as I am willing to put to rest the idea that your pod moves strictly due to stylus drag.

Fleib, Try to see the point that if the tonearm and platter move at different times due to differences in resonance or susceptibility to spurious energy sources, then those movements are added to distortions produced by spurious movement of the stylus. Whereas, if the tonearm and platter are well coupled and must move together, then such external sources of energy are cancelled, in effect. For this reason also, we are told to wear seatbelts. I once saw a short movie in which a porcelain cup was put into a small barrel. Then the barrel was thrown down a set of stairs. Of course, the cup inside the barrel was shattered. Then the experimenter strapped the cup firmly to the side of the barrel and repeated the experiment. This time, the cup emerged intact. Keeping the tonearm and platter in consonance has the same beneficial effect. You may disagree, but that is the basis for my thinking, not to mention the thinking of 9 out of 10 designers of commercial turntables.
Lewm,
I see your point, but what you fail to see is, it's completely dependent on design. Any pod rigidly coupled to the base is connected to the platter, assuming the platter is rigidly coupled. Suppose you have one of those pneumatic vibration isolation stands or a lead balloon under your table. What difference would it make? Complicate matters with a subchassis and you're just as likely to insure spurious resonance as avoid them.

**Whereas, if the tonearm and platter are well coupled and must move together, then such external sources of energy are cancelled, in effect.**
Cancelled? This is the mantra of the suspended. What external forces, sound pressure? You're just as likely to increase consequences, as cancel. Extraneous vibrations should be dissipated, not perpetuated.
Regards,