Turntable speed accuracy


There is another thread (about the NVS table) which has a subordinate discussion about turntable speed accuracy and different methods of checking. Some suggest using the Timeline laser, others use a strobe disk.

I assume everyone agrees that speed accuracy is of utmost importance. What is the best way to verify results? What is the most speed-accurate drive method? And is speed accuracy really the most important consideration for proper turntable design or are there some compromises with certain drive types that make others still viable?
peterayer
... your new experience with a thread driven Raven sounds good.
Next, you could try this:
- disassemble the three feet from both of your motor housings
- set up the housings flat on some kind of damping mat (a piece of anti-drone mat for washing machines would help)
- rearrange the strings

Now the motor housings are no longer able to wobble slightly on their feet (that's particularly the case when strong tension of the belt/tape/thread is applied). In my experience this has also positive effects on speed consistency and sound improvement.
The Raven is a LP12 "in heavy". No matter what you do, it will always change its "performance". Typical sub level Design attribute. Tweaking a dead cow to a horse is interesting, no doubt, but other Designers made better work.
Solong's observations regarding play in the Raven motors feet is spot on. I utilize PTFE plumbers tape on the threads of the feet to eliminate the play and the metal to metal interface. I have since applied the tape to other applications in my system including speaker spikes and triplanar screws with very positive results. Metal to metal interfaces and improperly tightened components are generally not good a thing.
It is actually 1.8 sec/rev. 33 and 1/3 rev/min divided by 60 sec/min yields 0.5556 rev/sec (0.555555555 repeating). Your tt makes 100 revolutions every 3 minutes or 100 revolutions every 180 seconds. So if you divide 180 seconds by 100 revolutions, you get 1.8 sec/rev.
Dear Halcro: As Dover I'm using thread drive for all the years I can remember either the MS I owned till today and my Acoustic Signature ones.

What is weird is that only " today " many people is discovering when the option always been there.

I don't know you but even with a thread the DD ones performs overall better.

Btw, what Lewm posted and that M.Lavigne refered on other related thread and my own post ( not so specific as Lewm one. ) about that the Timeline is not accurate/perfect as we all are thinking finally there is a " light " that tell us on that non accurate device that already brought some TT owners to a " suicide ".

This could tell us that we have to analize this type of TT subject more carefully that what we are doing till today.

Maybe Mr. Sutherland can comes here to explain the overall Timeline design and to confirm or not that 0.00018 discrepancy.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
Dear Raul, I did not mean to imply that I KNOW that the Timeline is miscalibrated. I was just musing after Timeltel's correction of Catastrofe's calculation that in truth the time for one revolution, if the speed is 33.333.... would be slightly more than 1.8 sec. It might be 1.800180018.... I would assume that Mr. Sutherland knows that, too. All he had to do was to build a circuit that can divide 60 by 33.33333... and then trigger a laser according to the result, in seconds. And apparently he warned end users that they might not want to know what the Timeline can tell them. It's like going to the doctor for that pain in your .....wherever.

Dear Henry, I would agree that if the Timeline and the Victor TT101 are in perfect sync, it is likely that the Timeline is bang "on". But in general it is not valid to calibrate an instrument against the thing you are trying to measure with it.