Turntable speed accuracy

I don't like to post without actual direct experience but here goes.

Based on my TT's and what I am "hearing" and also not owning this Timeline device.

A Belt/string or idler will do one of two things on a timeline over time.

If they are slow

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If they are fast

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A direct drive because of the nature of how the motor works goes back and forth.

The DD's can not be picked up by the timeline.

The stop - go, stop - go, stop - go, nature of the DD motor keeping speed.

The DD is only at a correct 33.3 “in transition” between the time the motor kicks in to speed up and shuts off to slow down. At all other times it is not at 33.3.

Am I wrong ?

And another thing. I am going to say a really dirty word here to some people – CD

Has anyone bothered to listen to a decent CD of your favourite music compared to LP as far as "pitch" is concerned.

I think you will be surprised.

Anybody?

Finally a message to SKSOS1 - is it your intention to have another thread shutdown ?

What is Sounds of Silence that you are affiliated with. You seem to be anything but silent. Please take Lew's advice.

Cheers

Hi Chris,

The DD is only at a correct 33.3 “in transition” between the time the motor kicks in to speed up and shuts off to slow down. At all other times it is not at 33.3.

I don't believe this is a fair assessment of the DD motor technology?
There is no difference I believe, to the maintenance of the speed via the motor of a belt-drive or direct drive. Each one has to monitor its speed via a pre-programmed sine-wave algorithm related to the power supply.
The differences between the two drive types I believe, has to do more with the speed of any correction applied once a deviation is detected?
In this.....a belt or thread drive is at a severe disadvantage.
The DD motor....usually with a lot more torque than that of a belt/thread drive....and being directly connected to the platter.....can correct deviations in micro-seconds theoretically inaudible to the human ear.
With some DD turntables like the Victor TT-101......there is instantaneous 'braking' correction as well as speed-up correction...thus not relying on the time lag slowing-down procedure after an increase is applied.
To my ears......this is a more optimum audible solution than the slow speed deviations and corrections allowed by some belt/thread drive decks?

One point not properly addressed so far.....is how idlers or rim-drives perform against the Timeline?
Perhaps Lew will be able to enlighten us on this?

"One point not properly addressed so far.....is how idlers or rim-drives perform against the Timeline?
Perhaps Lew will be able to enlighten us on this?"

As a idler user I would appreciate Lews results on his Lenco. I would also appreciate how his DP80 performs, you would think it would be spot on as the TT101. Halcro have you tried the timeline with your TT81?

Henry - my post was not an assessment of the DD technology as you know.

It was strictly my theory based solely on what I have heard/read here about this timeline and how I think either of my Technics SP10 MKII's would do up against it.

Speed corrections are made very quickly with my SP10's - I do not think they would therefore register with the device. If someone in my area wants to lend me a timeline I will try it as well.

The SP10 MKII's are both "very" accurate as far as maintaining speed is concerned.

Cheers

I've got the Timeline in house.
On the Lenco, with AC supplied through the Walker Motor Controller, speed set by the KAB with an LP in play, and listening tests suggesting that rhythm and pitch are like real life, the Timeline says my Lenco is a touch fast. I will need another day to determine whether it is "regularly" fast (the error increases in a linear fashion with each revolution) or "irregularly" fast (the error is haphazard in magnitude per revolution). The first kind of error can be "fixed", if I care to do so. The second kind indicates that the Lenco is affected by stylus drag. Not so easy to fix. One red herring: the LP is sitting on a Boston Audio Mat1, which is kind of slippery; the LP itself could be sliding due to stylus drag. I hate when that happens. I hate record weights.