Speed of groove.


We all know that record spins at (let's take at this point) 33.5 rpm and while the rotational speed is the same the speed of the actual groove is not.
Our cartridges are specked at output voltage for a specific speed of the grove(cm/c). What happens when
a)the speed is higher than specified at outer grooves
b)the speed is lower than specified at inner grooves
c)the record spins at 45rpm or 78rpm
marakanetz
You can us the math to help understand it. Take a 1kHz waveform again for an example. At the outer groove, the velocity is 20.1"/s. So 1000 (cycles/sec)/20.1 (inches/sec)= 49.8 cycles/inch. Now at the inner groove the velocity is 8.7"/s so the same 1kHz waveform is generated by 114.5 cycles/inch. The amplitude of the cycles is the same at the two locations of the record for the same volume level because the excursion of the stylus must be the same. That makes the inner grooves more demanding because the stylus has to track these 2.3 times more dense undulations in the grooves.
The linear velocity was "abstracted away" by the "length of the bump".
Precisely! That's all we are saying. As you correctly put it, "at the outer edge of the record, the bump will be 'elongated' whereas towards the center of the record it will be 'shortened.'" That shortening or lengthening results in the velocity of the stylus deflection being the same for a given signal at different points on the record, despite the fact that tangential ("linear") velocity is not the same.

Regards,
-- Al
Thanks for joining this discussion!
Would you consider a decreased performance on the inner groves normal in some of records especially fully "packed"?
Precisely! That's all we are saying
Well, I understood this all along, but the original poster was talking about correlating the cartridge's output voltage with the linear velocity of the record.
This is the correlation I said I didn't understand and I don't believe exists.
Everything else is clear to me. Maybe I misunderstood the post itself, wouldn't be the first time... ;-)
There's variation in sound quality between outer tracks and inner ones, due to the in formation being more densely packed together on the inner grooves, but not "output level" differences. Nobody has to turn the volume up as the inner tracks are played.
Mihaitaa, I understood the OP as asking what the effects of the differences in tangential ("linear") velocity at different points on the record would be on the output of the cartridge, given that the cartridge output is spec'd based on velocity. The answer, as you realize, is that there is no effect, because what is relevant is stylus deflection velocity, not tangential groove velocity, and for a given signal stylus deflection velocity does not change as a function of position on the record.
12-30-11: Marakanetz
Would you consider a decreased performance on the inner groves normal in some of records especially fully "packed"?
Inner groove distortion is certainly recognized as a potential issue, but my analog experience is not extensive enough to make a general comment on how pervasive a problem it might be. You might want to start a separate thread on that subject, that will probably catch the eye of some of the analog experts we have here.

Regards,
-- Al